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4 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Then why don't they? They're ignoring any questions being asked:

Neither Ocean Reef’s media relations representative nor officials from its medical center immediately returned phone and emailed messages to answer questions about how it received so many vaccines before much of the rest of the state.

Not really sure it's the community that should be answering these questions.  It does sound like the State has responded per that article.

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“This was not a state supported senior community POD [point of distribution], nor was it requested by the governor,’’ Beatrice said in an email.“Florida was the first state to prioritize seniors,’’ she added. “The state has utilized a variety of approaches including walk-up, drive-thru, and faith-based initiatives to ensure vaccine access to all eligible Floridians, particularly in underserved communities. These efforts have resulted in Florida vaccinating over 50% of our state’s senior population — the highest of any state in the nation.”

If they lead the nation in vaccinating the senior population, that should be applauded.  And later in the article

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The governor’s spokeswoman, Meredith Beatrice, defended the pop-up clinics, telling the Sarasota Herald Tribune last week that of the 15 pop-up clinics targeted to senior communities, nine were in Broward and Palm Beach counties “which are not known for being Republican strongholds.”

So yeah, we know vaccine allotment was scarce, but DeSantis chose to target seniors, likely at the detriment of first responders.  I'm not entirely sure which path is the best, I don't think experts are confident one way or the other either.  

I found this site which gave week by week updates on Florida Vaccination rollout.  The link is for the week ending 1/15 report.  The article we've been quoting stated this uppity community got it in the middle of January, so these numbers might reflect them as well, or maybe the 1/22 report, either way, i'll be conservative and stick with this one.

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Florida is the first state in the nation to vaccinate more than 500,000 individuals 65 years of age or older, accounting for nearly 60% of total vaccinations in the state.

So roughly 300,000 seniors had it by the time the uppity rich folks got it too.  Again, I don't know if he did something illegal or not, but if you dig into it, it also doesn't appear to be as outrageous as it's getting made out to be either.  

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So they were so thankful for receiving such a gracious gift from the state or whomever they sent the Governor a quarter million dollars. What did he do with it, did it go into the state coffers???
 

And what about Naomi

 

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39 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

So they were so thankful for receiving such a gracious gift from the state or whomever they sent the Governor a quarter million dollars. What did he do with it, did it go into the state coffers???
 

And what about Naomi

 

It should have gone towards vaccinations for other seniors in Florida. Not to the governors piggybank. It makes it appear very unethical. 

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22 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

So they were so thankful for receiving such a gracious gift from the state or whomever they sent the Governor a quarter million dollars. What did he do with it, did it go into the state coffers???

And what about Naomi

I don't know, as it states, it's a very wealthy community.  Maybe someone was a DeSantis supporter, has been afraid for his life because he's old and this virus is much more deadly for him, and was happy that unlike most Governors, chose to target Seniors over first responders and chose to support him in a legal way?

Did you know Whitmer has been given nearly 2 million dollars from education associations over the years and instead of targeting our seniors, who bare the greatest cost in this pandemic, she chose to go against the science and allow teachers to get the vaccine, even though the State and CDC believe schools can operate safely during these times?  Or, she looked at a cost/benefit, still believes there could be some spread in schools and this helps limit the spread, thus limiting the spread to all, including seniors.   IDK.  

I will say this.  If my life was on the line and I had to chose whether Desantis had no idea and was pleasantly surprised by the donation or if there was a back-room meeting or some other reason to have an educated guess that by putting the Vaccine at that location, it'll pay dividends, I'd go with the latter.

If I was choosing between a Desantis having a sit down with this specific individual that offers a bribe to get a vaccination in his community or Whitmer sat down with the MEA president who said 'Our teachers have supported your campaigns for years and I know you'll lead accordingly', I'd go with the latter still.

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21 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

It should have gone towards vaccinations for other seniors in Florida. Not to the governors piggybank. It makes it appear very unethical. 

I'm not sure what Naomi is, as for the one community, how do we do this ethically than?   

Republican Governor - Phase 1 - First responders from communities that are 75% minority, Phase 2 - 50%, Phase 3 - 25%.....

Democratic Governor - Phase 1 - Trump supporters that stormed the Capital, Phase 2 - Trump supporters with flags still up, Phase 3.....

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7 hours ago, ewsieg said:

I'm not sure what Naomi is, as for the one community, how do we do this ethically than?   

Republican Governor - Phase 1 - First responders from communities that are 75% minority, Phase 2 - 50%, Phase 3 - 25%.....

Democratic Governor - Phase 1 - Trump supporters that stormed the Capital, Phase 2 - Trump supporters with flags still up, Phase 3.....

Do you have a source for these numbers? And most people want children back in school. There's been a lot if talk about teachers quitting unless they get vaccinated. So yeah, get the rich folks first. The main goal is to get reelected or maybe move your career up a notch. Florida is full of older people so it's pretty easy to lead the country in the largest number of seniors vaccinated.

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special rights for conservatives yet again, apparently.

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I dont understand why it's controversial to give teachers priority for vaccination, especially considering how badly everyone wants to return to school

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26 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I dont understand why it's controversial to give teachers priority for vaccination, especially considering how badly everyone wants to return to school

Teachers never get respect because they "get the summer off" and people view it as an easy job.  

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3 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Do you have a source for these numbers? And most people want children back in school. There's been a lot if talk about teachers quitting unless they get vaccinated. So yeah, get the rich folks first. The main goal is to get reelected or maybe move your career up a notch. Florida is full of older people so it's pretty easy to lead the country in the largest number of seniors vaccinated.

I linked the site that provided those numbers in my post.  As for simply saying Florida is full of seniors and should lead, that's crap.  Early on, most states said they were targeting first responders and then would move to seniors.  Florida, maybe because they do have more seniors chose to target seniors. That decision is why they are leading.  That decision could be a bad thing as it might come back to be more effective to target first responders, it might come back that each state is unique and the right answer for one might not be for the other.... I don't know.  What I do know is, he obviously was succeeding at what he was trying to do by focusing on seniors.

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

I dont understand why it's controversial to give teachers priority for vaccination, especially considering how badly everyone wants to return to school

1) It's not about what we want.  Many people don't want to wear masks and I don't hear anyone on this board siding with those folks 2) Schools have been determined not to be a source of spreading and are termed low risk (speaking of in-school learning).  

Again, i'm not saying who is right when it comes to prioritizing these shots, there are many different people that 'deserve' it in my eyes, but we simply don't have the supply to give it to everyone now.  But based on the numbers I provided, this 'uppity' site was one of 15 pop up clinics targeting seniors and when it's all said in done, this rich community of up to 2000, were part of the 300,000 vaccinations provided to seniors in that state.  Everyone on here seems to be saying they were the first to receive the vaccine and the gov got a kickback.  Did he get a kickback, possibly, but they were "1 of the first", not the first.  

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2 hours ago, ewsieg said:

1) It's not about what we want.  Many people don't want to wear masks and I don't hear anyone on this board siding with those folks 

For what it's worth, our Governor (who is empowering the no-mask folks with his changes here) is now prioritizing vaccination of teachers as well.

There seems to be broad support for vaccinating teachers. Probably because most recognize that it's about as good a way as any to ensure all schools reopen sooner rather than later.

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3 hours ago, ewsieg said:

Again, i'm not saying who is right when it comes to prioritizing these shots, there are many different people that 'deserve' it in my eyes, but we simply don't have the supply to give it to everyone now.  

Just my two cents, but if one is going to make the argument that heaven and earth must have moved to reopen schools, it stands to reason that the people who work at said schools should be considered essential.

And that there is sort of a cognitive dissonance to, on one hand, argue that it's essential to reopen school while simultaneously putting school employees on the backburner.

In the grand scheme of things, this argument won't matter a ton as supply of the vaccine builds up. Pretty good chance by early summer, it'll be accessible to most (if not all)

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27 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Just my two cents, but if one is going to make the argument that heaven and earth must have moved to reopen schools, it stands to reason that the people who work at said schools should be considered essential.

And that there is sort of a cognitive dissonance to, on one hand, argue that it's essential to reopen school while simultaneously putting school employees on the backburner.

In the grand scheme of things, this argument won't matter a ton as supply of the vaccine builds up. Pretty good chance by early summer, it'll be accessible to most (if not all)

The school year is almost over and many if not most of these have spent the preceding year teaching remotely from home.  And sad to say, been a whiney bunch about the whole thing.

While people like grocery store workers have had to work in person with the public for the entire pandemic, plus deal with the anti mask scolds and jerks.   Honestly, these essential workers have greater need of consideration.  Yet they get almost none at all.  I was thinking about this while chatting with a young checker at Albertson's last week.  She asked if I had heard that the mask mandate was being lifted and expressed some concern over it.  As it turns out, Albertson's is leaving their rules in place.  Good for them.

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1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

For what it's worth, our Governor (who is empowering the no-mask folks with his changes here) is now prioritizing vaccination of teachers as well.

There seems to be broad support for vaccinating teachers. Probably because most recognize that it's about as good a way as any to ensure all schools reopen sooner rather than later.

Exactly.

And they just uncoved 2 more communities of extremely wealthy Florida residents who also got the vaccine ahead of millions of other citizens. And yes, they were all developments of the same guy, who gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to the governor. Corruption, pure and simple. I guess it can be spun any way Fox News wants to spin it.

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9 minutes ago, Melody said:

The school year is almost over and many if not most of these have spent the preceding year teaching remotely from home.  And sad to say, been a whiney bunch about the whole thing.

While people like grocery store workers have had to work in person with the public for the entire pandemic, plus deal with the anti mask scolds and jerks.   Honestly, these essential workers have greater need of consideration.  Yet they get almost none at all.  I was thinking about this while chatting with a young checker at Albertson's last week.  She asked if I had heard that the mask mandate was being lifted and expressed some concern over it.  As it turns out, Albertson's is leaving their rules in place.  Good for them.

I wouldn't shop in a store that allowed people to go around with no masks. Not only is it a safety issue, it's a health issue. Playing politics with peoples lives, he should be recalled.

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45 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Just my two cents, but if one is going to make the argument that heaven and earth must have moved to reopen schools, it stands to reason that the people who work at said schools should be considered essential.

And that there is sort of a cognitive dissonance to, on one hand, argue that it's essential to reopen school while simultaneously putting school employees on the backburner.

In the grand scheme of things, this argument won't matter a ton as supply of the vaccine builds up. Pretty good chance by early summer, it'll be accessible to most (if not all)

Yes, word is coming out that herd immunity should be reached by late June/early July. Unless the red states sabotage it. And I hear some school systems may be canceling summer vacation.

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39 minutes ago, Melody said:

While people like grocery store workers have had to work in person with the public for the entire pandemic, plus deal with the anti mask scolds and jerks.   Honestly, these essential workers have greater need of consideration.  Yet they get almost none at all.  

No argument here.

But that is the fault of politicians, not teachers 

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41 minutes ago, Melody said:

  I was thinking about this while chatting with a young checker at Albertson's last week.  She asked if I had heard that the mask mandate was being lifted and expressed some concern over it.  As it turns out, Albertson's is leaving their rules in place.  Good for them.

I was under the impression that Albertson/Tom Thumb were only "strongly encouraging", but maybe they've revised their stance?

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45 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Fine.   I'll laugh when they spike up again.  I don't care about them anymore.   They are not part of the same country anymore.  

 

How about this.   No mask mandate, no stimulus checks for your citizens.    

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1 hour ago, Melody said:

The school year is almost over and many if not most of these have spent the preceding year teaching remotely from home.  And sad to say, been a whiney bunch about the whole thing.

While people like grocery store workers have had to work in person with the public for the entire pandemic, plus deal with the anti mask scolds and jerks.   Honestly, these essential workers have greater need of consideration.  Yet they get almost none at all.  I was thinking about this while chatting with a young checker at Albertson's last week.  She asked if I had heard that the mask mandate was being lifted and expressed some concern over it.  As it turns out, Albertson's is leaving their rules in place.  Good for them.

I feel like "teachers should be treated terribly and also should like it because we also treated grocery store workers terribly" isn't very compelling.

 

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15 minutes ago, pfife said:

I feel like "teachers should be treated terribly and also should like it because we also treated grocery store workers terribly" isn't very compelling.

 

It's easier to pit one group of workers against another group of workers than it is to address the real reasons of why grocery store and restaurant workers don't get treated as they should.

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6 minutes ago, pfife said:

I feel like "teachers should be treated terribly and also should like it because we also treated grocery store workers terribly" isn't very compelling.

 

That isn't what I said.  Though I don't find it being treated "terribly," to be given the option to work from home and draw a paycheck.  

It has been the whining that I object to.  And they have been doing a lot of it.   They have been protected, continuing to draw a paycheck for the past year.  Few others, especially those in the service industries, have had that option.  They just masked up, went to work, and hoped for the best.

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https://www.dallasnews.com/business/retail/2021/02/09/union-says-front-line-grocery-workers-need-vaccines-sooner-and-should-still-earn-hazard-pay/

"Dawn Hand, a Kroger store employee from Houston, said that since Christmas, 500 Kroger employees have been infected in the Houston area. She said that her store is in “worse shape” now than it had been, and that it’s lacking cleaning supplies and needs more staff to maintain the store.

Kroger is acting like the pandemic is over,” Hand said, “and it feels like the leaders in Texas have abandoned us.”

She said Texas Gov. Greg Abbott was “blatantly ignoring CDC guidelines” that say front-line workers should be among the first to be vaccinated."

Again, these are choices that policy makers (not teachers) are making.

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