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2 hours ago, ewsieg said:

Detroit declines J&J vaccine

Detroit has big enough problems convincing it's population to take the vaccine, so from that standpoint i'm glad these vaccines can get sent somewhere that they'll be used instead of storage, but WTF on this comment from Duggan

The last thing any of our political leaders need to do is to get people to start trying to handpick which vaccine they get.  

To be fair, I am hoping that when my opportunity for the vaccine comes I get the Pfizer or Moderna.   But I won’t get a choice.

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43 minutes ago, tigerbomb13 said:

 

prior to Trump that would be a huge scandal.

Now we're just used to it.

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2 hours ago, Melody said:

Did you read his actual statement?  I did.  
https://www.facebook.com/TexansForAbbott/posts/10165113970370088

The wearing of masks stops the transmission of the virus, no matter a person's race. Stopping the mask mandate ensures the spread of the virus. He is going to kill a certain percentage of the Texas population. But I didn't read that on facebook.

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1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said:

The wearing of masks stops the transmission of the virus, no matter a person's race. Stopping the mask mandate ensures the spread of the virus. He is going to kill a certain percentage of the Texas population. But I didn't read that on facebook.

I agree with that and have made zero excuses for Abbott on the subject.   But the topic was over releasing Covid positive "refugees," into the community.  Both things are wrong but are also unrelated.

That "facebook" link was to Abbott's official page, by the way.  

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2 hours ago, Oblong said:

prior to Trump that would be a huge scandal.

Now we're just used to it.

1200 vaccines total is a small amount and the Keys are islands.  In my state they distributed over 180K TODAY.   I don't think this is a big deal,  How much did the other islands get?  Curious for context.

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Hilarious exchange my DIL just related from her trip to Walmart this evening.  They are still enforcing mask rules there and the guy in line ahead of her was chewing out the cashier about having to wear a mask.  Yelling at a sixteen year old checker, as though he or she has any power over that decision.  DIL (a Latina) finally weighed in and explained to him that the store employees don't set or control store policy.  Told him that if his name was Walton and he owned the store he could decide to allow unmasked people but that was not the case.  "So just move along.  You are holding up the line."    So the genius responded, "Go back to Mexico."  She told him, "You go back to Europe."    LOL. She is awesome, and it is true.  I knew her grandmother very well and heard the stories.  Her family was in central Texas as far back as records have been kept and in fact some of them were Texicans who fought in the Texas Revolution.   This is documented.  (Y'all.  That is Texas royalty.)

Then my daughter asked her whether she had ever even been to Mexico.  She responded, "I've been to Cozemel and Cancun."  I really did LOL.  Love that girl!

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10 hours ago, Melody said:

I agree with that and have made zero excuses for Abbott on the subject.   But the topic was over releasing Covid positive "refugees," into the community.  Both things are wrong but are also unrelated.

That "facebook" link was to Abbott's official page, by the way.  

It looks like they tested positive after release so is it really known that they were positive when they were released?

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12 hours ago, Melody said:

I agree with that and have made zero excuses for Abbott on the subject.   But the topic was over releasing Covid positive "refugees," into the community.  Both things are wrong but are also unrelated.

That "facebook" link was to Abbott's official page, by the way.  

I thought the subject was Abbott's ignorance in lifting the mask mandate. He stated that Biden's immigration policy allowed illegal immigrants into his state carrying the virus. False. But...if he really believed that, he would double down on the mask mandate and enforce it more strictly. You see, mask wearing stops the spread. It's almost like he wants it to spread just to try and show Biden up. But it's not going to work, the entire country sees his ignorance. I would move away from any state that doesn't at least try to protect it's citizens.

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12 hours ago, Melody said:

1200 vaccines total is a small amount and the Keys are islands.  In my state they distributed over 180K TODAY.   I don't think this is a big deal,  How much did the other islands get?  Curious for context.

The folks on the Key got them in January. back when the vaccine was hard to get. So yeah, pure corruption. Kind of a big deal.

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13 hours ago, Melody said:

1200 vaccines total is a small amount and the Keys are islands.  In my state they distributed over 180K TODAY.   I don't think this is a big deal,  How much did the other islands get?  Curious for context.

1200 vaccines in January is a HUGE amount. And if this really was “pay to play”, that’s a huge scandal. Or it should be. 

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I don’t care if it’s one dose of ten thousand. It’s still bribery or at least buying favors. But than again that’s SOP if you are a member of the Trump party

 

 

(Remembering the old Johnny Carson bit...

”Would you sleep with me for a $Million ?”

Yes

”Would you sleep with me for $50

What do you think I am?

That’s been established, now we’re negotiating a price”

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1 hour ago, CMRivdog said:

I don’t care if it’s one dose of ten thousand. It’s still bribery or at least buying favors. But than again that’s SOP if you are a member of the Trump party

 

 

(Remembering the old Johnny Carson bit...

”Would you sleep with me for a $Million ?”

Yes

”Would you sleep with me for $50

What do you think I am?

That’s been established, now we’re negotiating a price”

Who was supposedly bribed?  Reportedly this island site was chosen and administered by a hospital group, not the state.  Who else on the island was also vaccinated?  Was the site open to others on that and neighboring islands?    Were any of them under 65 and without health issues?   What other facilities were available but bypassed by this hospital?   My mom used to have a home in the Keys.  There were some wealthy areas, but her house wasn't in one of them.  It was a little summer place that they usually kept rented.  But it was within walking distance of larger, more affluent residents.  And they often got around by boat.  On a canal rather than the ocean.  The Keys aren't like living elsewhere.  

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So it was just a coincidence the Gov of Fla received a $250,000 check after a bunch of ultra rich people received vaccines?
 

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1 minute ago, CMRivdog said:

So it was just a coincidence the Gov of Fla received a $250,000 check after a bunch of ultra rich people received vaccines?
 

Of course. It was probably also coincidence that in Florida the wealthiest zip codes got the vaccines first. 

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11 MI counties with the most cases all above their weekly running average again today - 1486 cases. The idiots seem to be taking it as a challenge to force one more wave before vaccinations catch up.

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5 hours ago, tigerbomb13 said:

1200 vaccines in January is a HUGE amount. And if this really was “pay to play”, that’s a huge scandal. Or it should be. 

If only DeSantis was smart enough to use the legal term that allows him not to not get questioned on it, 'We're following the science'.

2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Of course. It was probably also coincidence that in Florida the wealthiest zip codes got the vaccines first. 

Per the article, the State is claiming that a total of 15 of those vaccination programs were setup specifically targeting older folks and they were spread among both wealthy and non-wealthy areas.  I'd think that claim could be contradicted easily if it were not the case.

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3 hours ago, CMRivdog said:

So it was just a coincidence the Gov of Fla received a $250,000 check after a bunch of ultra rich people received vaccines?
 

Maybe so, maybe not.  But there is not enough information to confirm or refute this.  Hence my questions.   A serious allegation has been made without adequate research by the Herald.

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3 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Of course. It was probably also coincidence that in Florida the wealthiest zip codes got the vaccines first. 

And now that they've been outed, they're really gonna freak out if it's determined immunity only lasts 6 months. Back of the line buddy...lol

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4 hours ago, Melody said:

Who was supposedly bribed?  Reportedly this island site was chosen and administered by a hospital group, not the state.  

I'm not sure how Fox News is spinning this story and I'm not sure what Facebook says but from the article it makes you wonder how this group just so happened to get enough doses, in January,  to vaccinate everyone twice;

Neither Ocean Reef’s media relations representative nor officials from its medical center immediately returned phone and emailed messages to answer questions about how it received so many vaccines before much of the rest of the state.

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1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

If only DeSantis was smart enough to use the legal term that allows him not to not get questioned on it, 'We're following the science'.

Per the article, the State is claiming that a total of 15 of those vaccination programs were setup specifically targeting older folks and they were spread among both wealthy and non-wealthy areas.  I'd think that claim could be contradicted easily if it were not the case.

Then why don't they? They're ignoring any questions being asked:

Neither Ocean Reef’s media relations representative nor officials from its medical center immediately returned phone and emailed messages to answer questions about how it received so many vaccines before much of the rest of the state.

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23 hours ago, Melody said:

To be fair, I am hoping that when my opportunity for the vaccine comes I get the Pfizer or Moderna.   But I won’t get a choice.

I would want the J & J one. If I were to have a bad reaction to the first shot, I would dread getting the 2nd shot. But I'll take whatever they have for me if I'm lucky enough to get one.

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