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18 minutes ago, Shelton said:

I would agree that games against Ohio State qualify as big games. It’s definitely suboptimal that they have lost that game year after year. 

But it also feels like the narrative tends to shift for this definition depending on whether or not Michigan won/lost. 

I'll give credit where it is due and his team's performance and the way he coached against Notre Dame this season was great. There are 4-5 big games overall I would say Harbaugh has won since he has been here. The beat down of Florida in the Citrus bowl in his first year, Wisconsin and Penn State games last season, the Wisconsin game in 2016 and the Notre Dame game this year.

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I'd say in Harbaugh's 5 years, Michigan is in a 3-way tie with Wisconsin and Penn St. for 2nd-3rd-4th best team in the Big 10. Say 3rd, a bit less successful than Wisconsin but a bit more successful than Penn St.  Under Harbaugh, Michigan is 1-1 vs Notre Dame, 3-2 vs Penn St, 2-2 vs Wisconsin, 3-2 vs Michigan St.  The issue is "just" Ohio St, not quite a Big 1 Little 13 situation but almost - OSU has clearly been a cut above the rest of the division.  Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St, Georgia, LSU and Oklahoma have been college football's elite 2015-2019. Michigan has been in the tier right below that.

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53 minutes ago, Euphdude said:

I'm far from any kind of authority figure when it comes to college football.  Yet I find my analysis regarding UM/OSU to be fairly accurate, and have the upmost confidence we will be creamed by OSU on Saturday.  If Harbaugh is able to finally match up with OSU and beat them, I'll reconsider my previous analysis.

I was only referring to things like the football culture lacking the right mindset or mental toughness. I don’t think it’s fair to make proclamations about that from the outside. Maybe they do lack those things, I don’t know. But maybe they also just lost some games against other teams that are also pretty good. 

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21 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

I'd say in Harbaugh's 5 years, Michigan is in a 3-way tie with Wisconsin and Penn St. for 2nd-3rd-4th best team in the Big 10. Say 3rd, a bit less successful than Wisconsin but a bit more successful than Penn St.  Under Harbaugh, Michigan is 1-1 vs Notre Dame, 3-2 vs Penn St, 2-2 vs Wisconsin, 3-2 vs Michigan St.  The issue is "just" Ohio St, not quite a Big 1 Little 13 situation but almost - OSU has clearly been a cut above the rest of the division.  Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St, Georgia, LSU and Oklahoma have been college football's elite 2015-2019. Michigan has been in the tier right below that.

This is basically my impression. I would also add that I don’t recall many of those games being “close wins” either, and we certainly had our share of close losses in there. And to be fair some pretty bad blowout losses, too. Point being, a couple plays go differently and the above record looks better, and I don’t think a couple plays going differently in the other direction changes the record. 
 

The above records also look different if you simply throw out the games started by John okorn/Brandon Peters in 2017. 

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1 hour ago, lordstanley said:

I'd say in Harbaugh's 5 years, Michigan is in a 3-way tie with Wisconsin and Penn St. for 2nd-3rd-4th best team in the Big 10. Say 3rd, a bit less successful than Wisconsin but a bit more successful than Penn St.  Under Harbaugh, Michigan is 1-1 vs Notre Dame, 3-2 vs Penn St, 2-2 vs Wisconsin, 3-2 vs Michigan St.  The issue is "just" Ohio St, not quite a Big 1 Little 13 situation but almost - OSU has clearly been a cut above the rest of the division.  Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St, Georgia, LSU and Oklahoma have been college football's elite 2015-2019. Michigan has been in the tier right below that.

That's about it. They program is in  better shape now overall  than at any time since Carr stepped away, but agreed that that still means a full step behind OSU. And it will stay that way until OSU takes a step back, because I don't see any of the current tier two teams you mention - including UM -  being capable of taking the step to where OSU is currently.

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I'm not so sure the program was in any better shape when Carr was here particularly the last 4-5 years of his tenure.  Yeah we had the 97 season but aside from that every season under him was multiple losses(in a time where we played fewer games) including a bunch of 3, 4 and 5 loss seasons.   Just like we're not on the level of OSU, Bama, Clemson or Oklahoma's level now under Carr we weren't on the level of the USCs, Miami, FSU and Florida's of the world.   

 

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Let's be honest. The Big Ten has instructed the officials Ohio State needs to win so the conference can have a chance to win a National Championship! Oh and by the way can the announcers get Ohio State's dicks out of their mouths.

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Huge turnover, but terrible play calling the last few plays.   If Michigan isn't careful things could get ugly with OSU getting the ball at half.  

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I understand the fact that you didn't want to come away with no points again but you're playing to lose if you're kicking field goals against this team. 

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