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Happy as I am that Biden won, still bummed about the Senate.  America may have rejected Trump, but they didn't rebuke any of his enablers.  Clearly money wasn't the issue.  What's going to happen when Breyer retires or dies?  Is McConnell going to just not bring it to the floor again?  

Obviously some of the races were pipe dreams, but how did Susan Collins win in a landslide?  Iowa was supposed to be close.  NC was supposed to be a good bet. Lindsey Graham was on Fox begging for money and looked genuinely worried.  But yet the polls were right in CO and AZ?  The Blue Wave wasn't even a minor bladder leak.  

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53 minutes ago, Buddha said:

football commercials are ridiculous.  but an entire football game is 3 1/2 hours long with the ball in play for 15 minutes.  the entire game is stop/start/stop/start.

tons of stoppages in hockey too.  basketball is just one foul stop foul stop after another.

i grew up with those games so i'm used to it.  but if you grew up watching soccer, american football or -god forbid - baseball, would likely confuse and bore the mess out of you.

unless you grew up with cricket, which makes baseball look like the 100 yard dash in terms of timing.

Yeah, football can really **** someone off with the commercials.  Red zone was a smart creation.  Cricket...I’ve tried to understand by reading the rules.  That’s a tough one to figure out.

One sport I do find myself watching when it’s on...Australian League Football (AFL).  Fun to watch. Good pace.   Very enjoyable overall. 

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Just now, Kacie said:

Happy as I am that Biden won, still bummed about the Senate.  America may have rejected Trump, but they didn't rebuke any of his enablers.  Clearly money wasn't the issue.  What's going to happen when Breyer retires or dies?  Is McConnell going to just not bring it to the floor again?  

Obviously some of the races were pipe dreams, but how did Susan Collins win in a landslide?  Iowa was supposed to be close.  NC was supposed to be a good bet. Lindsey Graham was on Fox begging for money and looked genuinely worried.  But yet the polls were right in CO and AZ?  The Blue Wave wasn't even a minor bladder leak.  

I wouldn’t consider N.C. dead.  Also, the senate won’t be decided until the GA runoff.  Hard task ahead of them. But if anyone can do it, it’s Stacy Abrams. Win both those and McConnells voice is diminished. 

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2 minutes ago, Kacie said:

Happy as I am that Biden won, still bummed about the Senate.  America may have rejected Trump, but they didn't rebuke any of his enablers.  Clearly money wasn't the issue.  What's going to happen when Breyer retires or dies?  Is McConnell going to just not bring it to the floor again?  

Obviously some of the races were pipe dreams, but how did Susan Collins win in a landslide?  Iowa was supposed to be close.  NC was supposed to be a good bet. Lindsey Graham was on Fox begging for money and looked genuinely worried.  But yet the polls were right in CO and AZ?  The Blue Wave wasn't even a minor bladder leak.  

I don't know how much actual campaigning is involved in running in Maine, but recent video of her in the Senate she has not looked very healthy. 

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3 minutes ago, T&P_Fan said:

I wouldn’t consider N.C. dead.  Also, the senate won’t be decided until the GA runoff.  Hard task ahead of them. But if anyone can do it, it’s Stacy Abrams. Win both those and McConnells voice is diminished. 

Meh, I'll believe it when I see it.  Polls are meaningless at this point.  

Surprised Susan Collins is only 67.  I thought she was much older than that.  McConnell looks like death warmed over and yet there he is.  

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I agree that individual polls are meaningless,  but the forecast are a bit more reliable. Nate silver came out better on day 5 than election night.

That doesn’t have anything to do with the GA runoff though.  We don’t need polls. We just had an election and it was tight. 

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1 hour ago, Blue Square Thing said:

Well, yes and no.

Long form cricket, sure. Short form is done and dusted in less time than a baseball game - and there's a strict time limit on how long you have to bowl your overs. None of that faffing around with batting gloves every bloody pitch.

Long form, though, that's the joy of it. A cricket ground is one of the places I can go and not worry about a thing all day, just watch the world go by and some men hitting a ball and occasionally running a bit. All of which pretty much makes things better in the world.

yep. I started with T20 and then fell in love with first class. test matches specifically, since those have been the easiest for me to get ahold of. nice to just leave it on the TV and go about my day. doesn't even matter who's playing.

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4 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

IDK Chas. I see two different questions. The lying, deceit and ends justifies the means sure were huge under Nixon, but Nixon was a huge believer in government, even interventionist government. Not only did the EPA and the attending regulatory legislation come on his watch but he expanded medicaid and even backed a couple of additional health care proposals that  probably still wouldn't pass today - heck he tried to institute wage and price controls to control inflation at one point. So I don't think the 'kill the beast' was ever on Nixon's philosophical horizon.

I agree with this, but I’m not talking about whether Nixon, or LBJ, were pro or anti-government, either. I’m talking about a broad base of American citizens, across traditional political classifications, so disgusted with their government that they believe that government in its very conception is corrupt, evil, and just rotten to its core.

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13 minutes ago, jbhappy said:

yep. I started with T20 and then fell in love with first class. test matches specifically, since those have been the easiest for me to get ahold of. nice to just leave it on the TV and go about my day. doesn't even matter who's playing.

This is the correct answer, only improved by listening to radio commentary. Especially if it's the BBC or, possibly even better, Australia's Grandstand. Seriously so much better than the TV commentators these days.

I suppose it's even better if it's at Canterbury or Tunbridge Wells and you're there. But, y'know.

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52 minutes ago, Kacie said:

Happy as I am that Biden won, still bummed about the Senate.  America may have rejected Trump, but they didn't rebuke any of his enablers.  Clearly money wasn't the issue.  What's going to happen when Breyer retires or dies?  Is McConnell going to just not bring it to the floor again?  

Obviously some of the races were pipe dreams, but how did Susan Collins win in a landslide?  Iowa was supposed to be close.  NC was supposed to be a good bet. Lindsey Graham was on Fox begging for money and looked genuinely worried.  But yet the polls were right in CO and AZ?  The Blue Wave wasn't even a minor bladder leak.  

Someone on one of the channels a few days ago opined that Trump on the ballot is a huge driver for Republican turnout.  It's why 2018 was such a "Blue Wave"; the Trumpers didn't care enough to vote when they couldn't vote specifically for him.

2022 should be interesting.  Historically the incumbent's party does poorly in midterms, but the Senate seats that are up for election are majority Republican, much like this year.  Among the D seats, only AZ and maybe NV are likely at risk of flipping.  For R seats, WI, IA, PA at a minimum should be competitive, if not sure flips (especially WI).  GA, NC, and FL (and OH) could also be close, depending on who runs and especially who wins the GA runoff for the special election.

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19 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I agree with this, but I’m not talking about whether Nixon, or LBJ, were pro or anti-government, either. I’m talking about a broad base of American citizens, across traditional political classifications, so disgusted with their government that they believe that government in its very conception is corrupt, evil, and just rotten to its core.

could be, but wouldn't the people who thought Nixon's gov was corrupt be today's older liberals? At least that is my experience - most of the anti-Nixon people I came of age with may have dallied as Reagan republicans (again - because of Carter's disastrous economic management) but are liberals again, or at least virulently anti-Trump today. So the argument would be that there are conservatives who were jaded by Nixon but just became more reactionary conservatives? Yeah - I guess I can buy that too.

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22 minutes ago, clark1mt said:

Someone on one of the channels a few days ago opined that Trump on the ballot is a huge driver for Republican turnout.  It's why 2018 was such a "Blue Wave"; the Trumpers didn't care enough to vote when they couldn't vote specifically for him.

2022 should be interesting.  Historically the incumbent's party does poorly in midterms, but the Senate seats that are up for election are majority Republican, much like this year.  Among the D seats, only AZ and maybe NV are likely at risk of flipping.  For R seats, WI, IA, PA at a minimum should be competitive, if not sure flips (especially WI).  GA, NC, and FL (and OH) could also be close, depending on who runs and especially who wins the GA runoff for the special election.

If the Senate is intransigent it will be interesting to see if Biden is more effective politically in setting up the 2022 election as a national referendum on them. Obama was always too hopeful of getting compromises and so he never really went full bore leading the effort to defeat GOP senators. My guess would be that Biden is a better political tactician - even if he doesn't have the star power Obama had. IOW he may have  less in his rhetorical toolkit  but I think/hope! he may use it better.

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31 minutes ago, clark1mt said:

Someone on one of the channels a few days ago opined that Trump on the ballot is a huge driver for Republican turnout.  It's why 2018 was such a "Blue Wave"; the Trumpers didn't care enough to vote when they couldn't vote specifically for him.

2022 should be interesting.  Historically the incumbent's party does poorly in midterms, but the Senate seats that are up for election are majority Republican, much like this year.  Among the D seats, only AZ and maybe NV are likely at risk of flipping.  For R seats, WI, IA, PA at a minimum should be competitive, if not sure flips (especially WI).  GA, NC, and FL (and OH) could also be close, depending on who runs and especially who wins the GA runoff for the special election.

Sen. Bob Casey made a similar point on one of the cable networks when I was watching a night or two ago; basically, Trump may be a historical overperformer for an R candidate in Pennsylvania and that future elections may not fall along those same lines.

I'm open to that theory. But at the same time, Biden needs to do the legwork and actively try to make inroads in communities that are receptive to Trump's message. It was a big part of his message (unity), now time to see action on it

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26 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

could be, but wouldn't the people who thought Nixon's gov was corrupt be today's older liberals? At least that is my experience - most of the anti-Nixon people I came of age with may have dallied as Reagan republicans (again - because of Carter's disastrous economic management) but are liberals again, or at least virulently anti-Trump today. So the argument would be that there are conservatives who were jaded by Nixon but just became more reactionary conservatives? Yeah - I guess I can buy that too.

I think some of them were liberals. And I think some of them were conservatives set adrift and wallowing in a sea of cynicism about everything until Reagan came and rescued them. Not that they regained their faith in government, of course—Reagan’s big appeal was him ****ting all over the concept of government. What they gained was a faith in Reagan, the man. He became America to a lot of those people who supported the war into Nixon even, but got their hearts broken over Watergate and the resignation, followed by an obviously patronage pardon plus four years of Carter malaise. 

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