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What Will Become of Nicholas Castellanos?


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How will the Tigers deal with Nicholas Castellanos?  

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  1. 1. How will the Tigers deal with Nicholas Castellanos?

    • Trade him.
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    • Tender him a Qualifying Offer after the season, which he will accept.
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    • Tender him a Qualifying Offer after the season, which he will decline.
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    • Extend him for multiple seasons.
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    • Non-tender him after the season (aka let him walk).
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    • Other. (Explain in comments.)
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  2. 2. Suppose Castellanos is tendered a qualifying offer after the season and he declines it? Then what?

    • Will be re-signed afterward by the Tigers.
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    • Will be signed by another team before the 2020 draft.
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    • Will be signed by another team after the 2020 draft.
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  3. 3. If the Tigers do trade Castellanos, what kind of return will they get, based on what you think a player of his level should get?

    • Return equal to expectations.
      8
    • Higher return than expected.
      0
    • Lower return than expected.
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11 hours ago, chasfh said:

They’re going to want to shake things up, which might even mean cutting Bryant loose for prospects, and signing Nick through 2023 would do that.

Do you honestly believe the Cubs might cut their best homegrown player Kris Bryant ..a RoY and MVP winner, who is signed through 2021, who lead the Cubs to a World Championshipin 2016, who has a higher OPS and OPS+ this year than Nick, who has a higher WAR this year and throughout career .....just to 'shake up' their franchise?  

Sure, ..the Cubs have lost 9 in a row and lost whatever opportunity they had to make the playoffs ..but seems to me the brunt of the blame for that is shared with all the players ..and perhaps even more so upon their manager's questionable management of their pitching staff!

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1 hour ago, Tigrrfan said:

Do you honestly believe the Cubs might cut their best homegrown player Kris Bryant ..a RoY and MVP winner, who is signed through 2021, who lead the Cubs to a World Championshipin 2016, who has a higher OPS and OPS+ this year than Nick, who has a higher WAR this year and throughout career .....just to 'shake up' their franchise?  

Sure, ..the Cubs have lost 9 in a row and lost whatever opportunity they had to make the playoffs ..but seems to me the brunt of the blame for that is shared with all the players ..and perhaps even more so upon their manager's questionable management of their pitching staff!

It's a concern troll post.

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4 hours ago, Tigrrfan said:

Do you honestly believe the Cubs might cut their best homegrown player Kris Bryant ..a RoY and MVP winner, who is signed through 2021, who lead the Cubs to a World Championshipin 2016, who has a higher OPS and OPS+ this year than Nick, who has a higher WAR this year and throughout career .....just to 'shake up' their franchise?  

Sure, ..the Cubs have lost 9 in a row and lost whatever opportunity they had to make the playoffs ..but seems to me the brunt of the blame for that is shared with all the players ..and perhaps even more so upon their manager's questionable management of their pitching staff!

There’s been talk in Chicago, not originating with me, of trading Bryant before he hits free agency because the belief here is that he won’t be so keen on signing long term with a franchise that openly and cynically manipulated his service time to get an extra year out of him for cheap. The other consideration is that the Cubs might not be willing to sign Bryant AND Rizzo AND Baez all to rich long term deals, especially since they already have $20MM+ committed annually to Heyward and Darvish through 2023. They’ll probably draw a line somewhere, and most people see the line being drawn at Bryant. So it’s a possibility they will at least kick the tires on moving Bryant ahead of his walk year as a way to start replenishing the Cubs’ barren system.

If you’re honestly asking my opinion, I think the marketplace take on Bryant is closer to injury-prone possible All-Star than it is to perennial MVP candidate. He’s now three years removed from the MVP and he’s just completed two down years (vs his assumed potential) with injuries, so the Cubs may not be able to flip him for more than one numbered prospect and maybe a couple of depth guys. If that’s the case, I don’t think the Cubs should move him because the worst outcome would be he regains his MVP mojo somewhere else while the Cubs settle for a meh package. The flip side danger is that he continues to get hurt and fall short of All-Star production the next two years, then he walks and they get nothing more than a comp pick. Either way, keeping Bryant, having him win another MVP or two, and then signing him to an end-his-career-here deal is not considered anywhere near a slam dunk here.

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4 hours ago, chasfh said:

There’s been talk in Chicago, not originating with me, of trading Bryant before he hits free agency because the belief here is that he won’t be so keen on signing long term with a franchise that openly and cynically manipulated his service time to get an extra year out of him for cheap. The other consideration is that the Cubs might not be willing to sign Bryant AND Rizzo AND Baez all to rich long term deals, especially since they already have $20MM+ committed annually to Heyward and Darvish through 2023. They’ll probably draw a line somewhere, and most people see the line being drawn at Bryant. So it’s a possibility they will at least kick the tires on moving Bryant ahead of his walk year as a way to start replenishing the Cubs’ barren system.

If you’re honestly asking my opinion, I think the marketplace take on Bryant is closer to injury-prone possible All-Star than it is to perennial MVP candidate. He’s now three years removed from the MVP and he’s just completed two down years (vs his assumed potential) with injuries, so the Cubs may not be able to flip him for more than one numbered prospect and maybe a couple of depth guys. If that’s the case, I don’t think the Cubs should move him because the worst outcome would be he regains his MVP mojo somewhere else while the Cubs settle for a meh package. The flip side danger is that he continues to get hurt and fall short of All-Star production the next two years, then he walks and they get nothing more than a comp pick. Either way, keeping Bryant, having him win another MVP or two, and then signing him to an end-his-career-here deal is not considered anywhere near a slam dunk here.

i'll take a .903 ops as a down year.

if bryce harper got $300 million, kris bryant will too.

scott boras will have him sign for the highest bidder.  if that team is the cubs, that's where he will sign.  the idea that bryant will refuse to sign with chicago because of a simple obvious roster move early in his career is nothing but sports radio talk.

the cubs are better at trading for prospects than they are at trading prospects for veterans, so perhaps they'll be able to get something for bryant?

given his body type and position, you'd think they'd let rizzo walk before bryant, but rizzo really has been a better player and is much more the face of the team and team leader than bryant.  

i also suspect they'll sign rizzo and baez before bryant.  i think bryant will walk.

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If Boras can get $300MM for Bryant, he’s a magician. Of course, Boras was a magician with Harper, too. What a contract that was. Talk abut irrational exuberance.

Rizzo is definitely the face of the Cubs and they would never let him go over Bryant, assuming they both continue to perform as they have been recently.

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21 minutes ago, chasfh said:

If Boras can get $300MM for Bryant, he’s a magician. Of course, Boras was a magician with Harper, too. What a contract that was. Talk abut irrational exuberance.

Rizzo is definitely the face of the Cubs and they would never let him go over Bryant, assuming they both continue to perform as they have been recently.

I guarantee Bryant will get $300 million.

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There's a possibility that Nick ends up on the White Sox, since they desperately need a RF. The main stopper on this is that they are already a heavily RH hitting lineup, but there aren't many LH-hitting RF options out there, and a RH-hitting Nick is still a way better option than even a switch-hitting Leury Garcia and parade of AAAA backups behind that. Plus they can file Nick off to DH once he shows he can't defend even enough to cover a strongly plus bat.

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7 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Why would a team need to give few additional option years?  That is even worse than giving him a 5-year deal.

The same reason why other teams give option years?  Maybe make them performance based so that if Castellanos performs well, the options automatically kick in.  The team wants protection that the player is going to perform up to expectations and the player wants 5 years.  This is a compromise.  

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29 minutes ago, chasfh said:

There's a possibility that Nick ends up on the White Sox, since they desperately need a RF. 

Nick is not a Right Fielder. Wait, ... CORRECTION!  ... Nick is not a ''fielder''.  His sub-par defense is not what a rebuilding team needs just when their rebuild is about to make them serious playoff contenders.  

Moreover, the White Sox already have MLB current #3 overall prospect Luis Robert, who might be advanced enough now to assume a Right Field position as early as early next year ..or start of 2021 at the latest.  So why in the world would the White Sox want to sign Nick C for 3 to 5 years?

For those who may not have noticed their rebuild progress .. the White Sox could be as good by 2021 as the Twins were this year!

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18 minutes ago, bobrob2004 said:

The same reason why other teams give option years?  Maybe make them performance based so that if Castellanos performs well, the options automatically kick in.  The team wants protection that the player is going to perform up to expectations and the player wants 5 years.  This is a compromise.  

My bad, I thought you meant a player option.

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16 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

The team wants protection that the player is going to perform up to expectations and the player wants 5 years.  This is a compromise.  

It Nick truly wanted a 5 year contract ..a team-option compromise like you suggest is one that Nick probably would not agree to.  Why?  Because it could still leave Nick out in the cold after 3 years.

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