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18 hours ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

I don't know how much blackmail he's ever done... do you have any evidence for that?

There’s this:

Mika Brzezinski-Trump row: White House accused of smear threat http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40458145

And this:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/ted-cruz-melania-trump-twitter-donald-trump-heidi

I would think a lot of other blackmail attempts are carried out more by his henchmen than by him himself, the same way mob bosses don’t carry out the actual murders of people. And I would think successful blackmailing rarely comes to light because of the embarrassing information at hand.

As far as the guy himself is concerned, I do acknowledge that extortion appears to be a club he wields publicly more than the blackmail club.

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Yeah, I don't know if that's enough evidence to claim he regularly engages in blackmail (M.O.)

There's one smear, and one "threat" of blackmail. He also threatened Mueller with releasing "taped conversations" in which Mueller is thinking "DO IT!!!".

Once it goes public I don't think it's blackmail anymore, it's just a plain old threat. Blackmail is done behind closed doors. Hard to prove/ find evidence... I mean, he could be saying "I will screw you", "I will screw you in your primary", "I will **** over this Party with everything I got" which is a fine line between threats, blackmail, and/or simply being an *******...

Not enough there for me to call it blackmail... sticking to my own guns on this one which are as brutal an assessment of his character as is anyways...

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You asked for some evidence and I provided it. I’m not an investigator who needs to establish a prosecutorial standard before I am allowed to make public statements on the topic. You are free to hold me to that standard and dismiss my statements if I fall short of it. 

I will say this: based on Trump’s established history spanning the past four decades, based on the businesses he’s been in and the people he has been known to associate with, it is my opinion that it would be more surprising if he did not engage in blackmail on a continual basis than if he did.

Again, feel free to dismiss that opinion. I won’t take it personally—even if you want me to! 😝

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Cheney is no hero ~ Justin Amash

Amash isn't wrong, but I kind of think I understand some of this boards support for Whitmer a little more in wanting to counter Amash. Why go after Cheney?  It is absurd it took this long for Cheney to stand up to Trump, but I don't want her shamed for it.  In fact, I'd love many other republicans that have touted the line to ensure their place in the party stand up now, better late than never.  Would rather see someone own up to past mistakes than to continue to make them just because they are scared of standing up for what they believe.

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1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

Cheney is no hero ~ Justin Amash

Amash isn't wrong, but I kind of think I understand some of this boards support for Whitmer a little more in wanting to counter Amash. Why go after Cheney?  It is absurd it took this long for Cheney to stand up to Trump, but I don't want her shamed for it.  In fact, I'd love many other republicans that have touted the line to ensure their place in the party stand up now, better late than never.  Would rather see someone own up to past mistakes than to continue to make them just because they are scared of standing up for what they believe.

this is an interesting listen. I think Amash is trying to be a truth teller in a mendacious world, but as a now older person, I can't also help hear this as another Young Man's lament with having run smack into the real world. ;)

I think he has a strong point about the need for re-establishing representative/legislative priority, but I think his approach is grossly counter-productive. Complaining about/opposing  good decisions made by a bad process is not going to get you where you want to go. And one of the fundamental problems in re-establishing *democratic* legislative priority the US is that between Gerrymandering and Senatorial imbalance, the US Congress is no longer (or never was) a democratically elected body. So the issue is also structural/Constitutional.

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As an adjunct this, Amash's point that executive emergency power should be understood in terms only of time frames too short for legislative action is a noble, if wildly impractical one. I suppose there may have been a 'golden era' when Bill Milliken could have called the MI legislature back into summer session to dispassionately take expert testimony and debate making policy and have a half-way workable public health policy emerge, but certainly not since! But the bigger problem is expertise. And this is a basic failing in the whole libertarian philosophical enterprise. And really - it goes all the way back to the Greeks and Socrates vs the Athenian direct democracy. Socrates rejected direct democracy as government by incompetence - the citizens couldn't possibly have expertise in the questions before them. 

So when democratic theory re-emerged in the 18the century the shift was toward "Representative Democracy" where the expertise issue was mitigated by electing "Representatives" competent in the issues likely to come before the government or at least given the resources (investigative power etc) and mandate to learn about what they legislated about in ways the greater 'demos' could not possibly. 

But to a large degree technological complexity is obsoleting that model as well. On scientific/technological questions the only sane way to govern is by building technical competence into the executive branch with the legislature pretty much only able to maintain an oversight role, aloting resources and investigating error or incompetence after the fact. The abstraction layer of electing representatives is no longer remotely sufficient to insure legislators have any useful competence on many of the questions on which the executive must act on a daily basis. So the model we have to today is the 'Regulatory State". Legislatures set up regulatory structure to capture that competence inside the government and then delegate authority over decisions in technical domains. Amash has a pretty sounding set of principles. but in many ways history has made them obsolete and he hasn't caught up.

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38 minutes ago, Oblong said:

Another word is rape

It would be truly wonderful if Darth Vader, aka Dick Cheney were using the full weight some imagined dirty tricks powers he has to destroy any challengers.

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49 minutes ago, Oblong said:

Another word is rape

The story reveals that he decided to come clean about the incident when he learned that opposition research was digging into the story. Smart move, to control the narrative out of the chute. He might get out of this one OK.

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29 minutes ago, chasfh said:

The story reveals that he decided to come clean about the incident when he learned that opposition research was digging into the story. Smart move, to control the narrative out of the chute. He might get out of this one OK.

I saw that in the tweet above that one.  I guess the Trump empire is going to visit Wyoming to try to get a primary challenger to endorse.  I guess there will be a lot of fratricide on the nut-right side who all see the opportunity.  She may well get the needed plurality. 

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1 hour ago, Oblong said:

Another word is rape

I don't know, does it make that much difference if he were a couple months younger? At 18, he could have been a senior in high school and she would have been a freshman. This isn't like 38 year old Matt Gaetz paying 17 year olds. 

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12 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I don't know, does it make that much difference if he were a couple months younger? At 18, he could have been a senior in high school and she would have been a freshman. This isn't like 38 year old Matt Gaetz paying 17 year olds. 

One of the ways he is shaping his own narrative on this is by referring to it as a "Romeo and Juliet" thing which, to your point about the ages, is plausibly within reason. And they did end up getting married, albeit when she was 15.

Also, given his current age of 55, this would have all happened during the mid-80's which, also plausibly, lends itself to an acceptable "times were different back then" narrative.

I think chances are pretty good he gets out of this, unless opposition can somehow make her post-breakup suicide stick to him.

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