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On 3/12/2021 at 4:30 PM, ROMAD1 said:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/killings-by-police-declined-after-black-lives-matter-protests1/

Meanwhile I got a mailer from a Gov candidate with that racist Blue Lives Matter flag and claimed the candidate was the candidate of 'the Real America'

FUMF.  I am the real America.

One of the great things about America is supposed to be that there is no "real American".  

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3 hours ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

This is the true reason for Independents.

She would have made so much money if she went with Sarah Parker or Sarah Hathaway because of the anti-semitism of american audiences.   She's an interesting person besides being a funny lady.

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How to win the war of ideas in a free marketplace of political thought

https://news.trust.org/item/20210325223236-nzehq

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ATLANTA, March 25 (Reuters) - Georgia on Thursday enacted broad voting restrictions championed by Republicans that activists said aimed to curtail the influence of Black voters who were instrumental in state elections that helped Democrats win the White House and narrow control of the U.S. Senate.

As soon as Republican Governor Brian Kemp signed the law, voting rights activists vowed to challenge it. The provisions add a new ID requirement for absentee ballots and limit ballot drop boxes.

Opponents of the measure decried it as among the country's most damaging attempts to limit access to the ballot box, and said it was designed to reduce the influence of Black voters.

Kemp said he expected outrage from the political left and that he offered no apology for "taking another step to making our elections fair and secure."

He alluded to the 2020 presidential race, which prompted widespread but unsubstantiated claims of election fraud from Republicans after former President Donald Trump lost to President Joe Biden, a Democrat.

"There's no doubt there were many alarming issues with how the election was handled, and those problems led to a crisis of confidence in the ballot box here in Georgia," Kemp said.

The Georgia legislation is one of more than 250 bills Republicans have filed proposing new voting limits across the country since Trump's loss in November. It passed both the state House of Representatives and Senate on Thursday afternoon; no Democratic lawmakers voted for the measure.

Asked about Republican legislators' efforts to restrict voting access throughout the United States, Biden on Thursday called such measures "un-American."

The Georgia law will make it a misdemeanor crime to give food or drinks to voters waiting in long lines. It also will set up a fraud hotline, forbid local county elections offices from taking breaks while counting ballots and shorten the runoff election cycle from nine weeks to four weeks. It will allow the state election board the power to replace local county election boards and permit challenges to voting eligibility.

Early versions of the legislation sought to limit Sunday voting, which would have curtailed traditional "Souls to the Polls" voter turnout programs popular in Black churches. Those days were restored after Democrats pushed back, and additional Saturday voting days also were included - provisions Republicans cited as examples of the law making voting more accessible.

But Andrea Young, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia, said the law "attacks absentee voting, criminalizes giving Georgians a drink of water to their neighbors (and) allows state takeover of county elections."

On Thursday, the ACLU and Georgia's state NAACP said they would consider every legal option to fight the law.

Trump battled with Republican state leaders and elections officials in Georgia for weeks after his narrow defeat, making baseless claims of election fraud that were disproved by a hand and machine recount and rejected by the courts and investigators.

On Monday, Trump endorsed a challenger looking to defeat Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in the 2022 Republican primary. (Reporting by Rich McKay in Atlanta; Editing by Colleen Jenkins, Jonathan Oatis, Bill Berkrot and Cynthia Osterman)

Our Standards: The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

 

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Let Johnny B show us the way out of darkness with his teary, weed and merlot fueled vision for a future without Trump

 

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5 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

Interesting thread.....

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, CMRivdog said:

Interesting thread.....

 

 

 

16 hours ago, CMRivdog said:

 

I guess I look at the the GOP's (almost sole) focus on culture war issues as more of a weakness than a strength. In part because it's a reflection of how popular the new administration actually is on policy and how they really don't have a response to it. Cultural conservatism is one area where the GOP can drive a wedge or create fissures in the Democratic coalition, because as Biden proved during the primary, outright progressivism isn't necessarily the majority of the Dem coalition, let alone the electorate as a whole. 

Stick to providing policy solutions for the American people, particularly on the economy.... it's better to play your game and not let the opposition set the terms of play.

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2 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

 

I guess I look at the the GOP's (almost sole) focus on culture war issues as more of a weakness than a strength. In part because it's a reflection of how popular the new administration actually is on policy and how they really don't have a response to it. Cultural conservatism is one area where the GOP can drive a wedge or create fissures in the Democratic coalition, because as Biden proved during the primary, outright progressivism isn't necessarily the majority of the Dem coalition, let alone the electorate as a whole. 

Stick to providing policy solutions for the American people, particularly on the economy.... it's better to play your game and not let the opposition set the terms of play.

exactly. Which drives Biden admin policy not to talk culture. That is the other side's issue. Don't even acknowledge that it exists - just do and talk about doing. The country has lost basically a whole generation of civic, physical, political, educational, and social investment (pretty much back to Clinton). We have such a backlog to work off before anyone gets to any projects that are not going to be pretty universally approved that the Democrats should be able to work it for a long while before they need to run themselves into much actual policy opposition.

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I'm not convinced yet that the GOP's focus on culture wars being a weakness long-term is by necessity a problem for them, at least for the remainder of my lifetime. A short-term focus on it may be enough for them to regain power in Congress and the White House, after which they have at least two years to figure out how to effectively manipulate the machinery of government to cement their majority control beyond the ability of elections to unseat them, which is their obvious objective. The Trump people weren't smart enough, competent enough, or ruthlessly brutal enough to figure out how to do that. But the next fascist coming out of that party? Hmmm ... we'll see.

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To be clear, I think it's a weakness for them short-term and  long-term. In part because I'm not convinced that voters that Trump lost in 2020 (ie. suburban voters in places like Philly or Milwaukee) are going to animated by picking culture war fights. Particularly if the administration continues to pursue policies that garner wide support.

My only point is that the way to drive home that weakness is to present a contrast to the culture-war addled presentation they have, not to emulate it. Not only for the reasons stated above, but also the fact that there are pockets of the Democratic coalition at the moment who actually *prefer* that the party is more policy oriented.

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37 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

 

I guess I look at the the GOP's (almost sole) focus on culture war issues as more of a weakness than a strength. In part because it's a reflection of how popular the new administration actually is on policy and how they really don't have a response to it. Cultural conservatism is one area where the GOP can drive a wedge or create fissures in the Democratic coalition, because as Biden proved during the primary, outright progressivism isn't necessarily the majority of the Dem coalition, let alone the electorate as a whole. 

Stick to providing policy solutions for the American people, particularly on the economy.... it's better to play your game and not let the opposition set the terms of play.

I've also yet to see anyone emerge who can use the culture wars to motivate the masses like Trump. Does anyone care about Josh Hawley anymore? You also need a leader for these culture wars and I don't see it outside of Trump. 

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And you can't forget that Biden is neither Obama nor Hillary. Obama's color was all that was needed to energize one sector of the GOP base. As long as a black man was President it was basically falling off a log easy. Obama was replaced with Hillary as the nominal Democratic standard bearer and she, while not racially polarizing, was the epitome of culturally polarizing. It's harder to make culture war arguments with Biden just because of who he is. Those old right wing  boomer retirees may watch Fox all day but they see Biden in their own mirrors every morning. That makes a difference before the 1st policy is promulgated or vote taken.

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17 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

And you can't forget that Biden is neither Obama nor Hillary. Obama's color was all that was needed to energize one sector of the GOP base. As long as a black man was President it was basically falling off a log easy. Obama was replaced with Hillary as the nominal Democratic standard bearer and she, while not racially polarizing, was the epitome of culturally polarizing. It's harder to make culture war arguments with Biden just because of who he is. Those old right wing  boomer retirees may watch Fox all day but they see Biden in their own mirrors every morning. That makes a difference before the 1st policy is promulgated or vote taken.

Obama won a lot of districts that Trump ended up winning like Macomb County. Obama's race also motivated a lot of people in support of him. I don't think Biden wins, or even makes it out of the primary, if not for Trump. People were motivated to vote against Trump more than they were motivated to vote for Biden. 

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30 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

People were motivated to vote against Trump more than they were motivated to vote for Biden. 

I think this is true, but by the same token,  I don't think 2020's GOP cultural warriors are voters who were likely to have supported any non-Biden Democrat.

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34 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I think this is true, but by the same token,  I don't think 2020's GOP cultural warriors are voters who were likely to have supported any non-Biden Democrat.

That's the biggest issue I see with the strategy for the GOP going into 2022.... it's clear that the stuff works on a contingent of Republican base voters. But is there a scenario where running that play can actually *add* voters from outside of the tent, and (probably more importantly) is running this strategy good enough without Trump actually being on the ballot? MB sort of alluded to this, we have yet to see a successor to this strategy emerge. 

It may not matter, the GOP is likely to win back the house regardless because of the fundamentals of a midterm for the incumbent President's party plus redistricting (which, while likely not as bad as 2010, will probably sting some), but I see scenarios were losses can be mitigated. Not to mention that the Senate class up in 2022 is probably the most favorable cohort electorally for Dems.

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1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

That's the biggest issue I see with the strategy for the GOP going into 2022.... it's clear that the stuff works on a contingent of Republican base voters. But is there a scenario where running that play can actually *add* voters from outside of the tent, and (probably more importantly) is running this strategy good enough without Trump actually being on the ballot? MB sort of alluded to this, we have yet to see a successor to this strategy emerge. 

It may not matter, the GOP is likely to win back the house regardless because of the fundamentals of a midterm for the incumbent President's party plus redistricting (which, while likely not as bad as 2010, will probably sting some), but I see scenarios were losses can be mitigated. Not to mention that the Senate class up in 2022 is probably the most favorable cohort electorally for Dems.

The wildcard for the House is turnout and hopefully the reversal in demographics between the GOP and Dems is going to give the Dems  a shot at overcoming Mid-term fall off. If I'm a Republican 2018 should still be frightening me, esp with Trump not on the ballot and without the bully pulpit.

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On 4/9/2021 at 4:29 PM, Gehringer_2 said:

The wildcard for the House is turnout and hopefully the reversal in demographics between the GOP and Dems is going to give the Dems  a shot at overcoming Mid-term fall off. If I'm a Republican 2018 should still be frightening me, esp with Trump not on the ballot and without the bully pulpit.

what do you mean by "reversal of demographics"?

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Barbara Comstock had been and would have been my rep had she not been running for reelection in 2018 when I had decided no Republican deserved my vote.

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cheney does not represent the majority of the republican house members.  she shouldnt be in a leadership position if she doesnt have their support.

its just a fact as to what the republican party stands for now.

soon she likely wont be in the house at all.

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1 hour ago, Buddha said:

what do you mean by "reversal of demographics"?

The move of the white suburban college educated from the green eye shade/Everett dirkson/gerald ford heritage old GOP  into the Democratic party and the move of blue collar one time Dem union workers to the GOP.  This is basically the only thing that can save the Dems in mid terms since in this swap the Dems got the demo that tends to have higher turnout percentage in off elections.

 

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