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2 hours ago, Oblong said:

Been learning a lot this morning about how TX is almost isolated on it's own grid.  There's a few connections out to other states and Mexico but they wanted no part of the Federal regulation in FDR's time so they went solo.   How's that working out for ya cowboy?

And of course our President will help them.  No name calling.  No demands for groveling. No nicknames.  Just doing the right thing.

 

A decent person with principles would be embarrassed and chastened by their prior behavior after such help was given freely and without condition.

A deeply cynical political animal would shamelessly play both ends as it suits them.

Which direction do you think this governor goes?

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1 minute ago, chasfh said:

A decent person with principles would be embarrassed and chastened by their prior behavior after such hep was given freely.

A deeply cynical political animal would shamelessly play both ends as it suits them.

Which direction do you think this governor goes?

I want to reply with every tweet I see complaining about the lack of power with "Maybe Biden can throw some paper towels to you"

 

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50 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

yeah - I can see wind turbines getting cranky and diversion of natural gas supplies - but unexpected cold can also bring other problems like the freeze-up of coal piles to where you can't move them. But based on my experience around big utility systems, another potential problem in energy facilities unprepared for cold is steam condensate return lines freezing. Freeze-up of condensate returns (which then can also lead to them splitting open from the internal expansion of the ice) can shut down a utility steam generation facility. In the north all outdoor condensate returns are insulated and externally heated in the winter for freeze protection. In the South sometimes they don't bother since they tend to stay hot- but just a little poor maintenance on critical but easy to ignore devices known as 'steam traps' (of which there are thousands in a big plant), coupled with a little colder than you expect and ......

Wouldn't be surprised to learn this is a big piece of what is going on now.

It's been beyond frustrating to see political partisans turn this into "it's wind's fault that this is happening" or while people are freezing in their damn homes. The reality is that every form of energy that we use has been affected.

The reality is that the problem goes more beyond the actual sources of power that Texas relies on and more to the fact that the infrasturcture itself hasn't had the investments to hold up in this kind of weather. And while I understand that we're not a cold weather state, it perhaps would still behoove us to spend more money on winterproofing our various forms of energy here.

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1 hour ago, Gehringer_2 said:

yeah - I can see wind turbines getting cranky and diversion of natural gas supplies - but unexpected cold can also bring other problems like the freeze-up of coal piles to where you can't move them. But based on my experience around big utility systems, another potential problem in energy facilities unprepared for cold is steam condensate return lines freezing. Freeze-up of condensate returns (which then can also lead to them splitting open from the internal expansion of the ice) can shut down a utility steam generation facility. In the north all outdoor condensate returns are insulated and externally heated in the winter for freeze protection. In the South sometimes they don't bother since they tend to stay hot- but just a little poor maintenance on critical but easy to ignore devices known as 'steam traps' (of which there are thousands in a big plant), coupled with a little colder than you expect and ......

Wouldn't be surprised to learn this is a big piece of what is going on now.

That explanation is a bit too complicated tor Foxites. 

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2 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

That explanation is a bit too complicated tor Foxites. 

I didn't address it in my response to it, but natural gas pipes freezing is a pretty big factor in what is happening right now. 

For the life of me, I do not understand why partisans (many of whom don't even live here) have to find one firm of energy (ie. wind) to blame when the failure is pretty well global. Who the **** cares... people are freezing in their homes right now, take your right v. left bs and shove it

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Meanwhile some big ice storms in central and western Virginia the past several days. There are a couple of big solar energy fields just off the beltway around Richmond. They looked pretty iced over Saturday morning. Funny that no one there is complaining about massive power outages.

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This is the best article I've read on why this is actually happening, fwiw.

Long story short: underinvestment in building in redundancy to the grid

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the gas pipe freezing thing makes sense because the first thing I was thinking of was "Doesn't TX burn more energy in the summer?"

 

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19 minutes ago, Oblong said:

the gas pipe freezing thing makes sense because the first thing I was thinking of was "Doesn't TX burn more energy in the summer?"

 

there isn't supposed to be any water in a natural gas line! Again - that would be poor facilities investment. I imagine in Tx they probably do just shovel raw gas into distribution lines without any cleanup more often than they should. I was involved in a project in PA once where we had a cheap local raw gas supply freeze up in the winter. Sloppy practice - PITA

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In Michigan, there is fair amount of NG storage, so there is a lot of buffering in the supply system. Tx is huge NG producing state so a lot of gas is coming straight from the well-head. The gas at the well head is going to be wet - it's coming out of the ground, how could it not be - so if wells freeze and the system is dependent on immediate production keep the distribution system full, I guess you are screwed.

The market thing is the real key though. In a free market there will always operators willing to cut one more corner and they will drive the better operators out of business. It's a clear situation where the market paradigm simply does not and should not apply, but when politicians become blinded by ideology they are easy prey for business interests preaching (and spreading around!) profits.

It is both an enduring irony and frustration to me that for the 1st half of my life conservative thinkers like Wm Buckley prided themselves on being so much more practically oriented than all those 'pointed headed academic libruls'. Yet today it is conservatism that is paralyzed by it's dedication to failed intellectual constructs in contradiction to all the clear evidence of before them. Inappropriate worship of markets is only one  of too many.

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7 minutes ago, Oblong said:

Back to the GOP. Trump goes hard on Mitch. 
 

 

Please let them and the GOP eat themselves alive 

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10 minutes ago, Oblong said:

Back to the GOP. Trump goes hard on Mitch. 
 

 

McConnell would have been better off voting to convict.

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Trump didn't write that.  He doesn't have the attention span to get through one paragraph.  

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33 minutes ago, Oblong said:

Back to the GOP. Trump goes hard on Mitch. 
 

 

just because it's Trump doesn't mean he is wrong about Mitch.....

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4 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

Trump didn't write that.  He doesn't have the attention span to get through one paragraph.  

I agree it certainly doesn't sound like him.

Ivanka maybe....

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6 hours ago, mtutiger said:

I didn't address it in my response to it, but natural gas pipes freezing is a pretty big factor in what is happening right now. 

For the life of me, I do not understand why partisans (many of whom don't even live here) have to find one firm of energy (ie. wind) to blame when the failure is pretty well global. Who the **** cares... people are freezing in their homes right now, take your right v. left bs and shove it

I can understand why you feel this way but I also think the fight should be had, maybe at a different time though. 

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FYI Trump is censored.

Check twitter: can't find that statement from Trump anywhere

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8 minutes ago, pfife said:

I can understand why you feel this way but I also think the fight should be had, maybe at a different time though. 

But "the fight", as it were, isn't even germane to why this is happening.

This has nothing to do with wind versus natural gas/fossil fuels or anything like that... this boils down to simple bureaucratic incompetence, particularly a lack of investments into maintaining the Texas grid. That's it 

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28 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

But "the fight", as it were, isn't even germane to why this is happening.

This has nothing to do with wind versus natural gas/fossil fuels or anything like that... this boils down to simple bureaucratic incompetence, particularly a lack of investments into maintaining the Texas grid. That's it 

Well I sorta thought it was from that thread you posted above.   But sadly the cause of this isn't really the main fight.

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