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3 hours ago, ROMAD1 said:

What is NV?

No idea how I did that twice, but meant NT, as in Never Trump.

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22 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

No idea how I did that twice, but meant NT, as in Never Trump.

was thinking New Voter...

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Watching “The Sound of Music” tonight: i think i’m going to cry my eyes dry when Captain Von Trapp sings “Edelweiss.”

He is me. 

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12 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I was thinking Nevada broke off and created it's own political party of gamblers and prostitutes. 

been watching “the Stand?”

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so I was just reading a story about Newsmax starting to pull enough Trumpy Fox viewers to get real ratings and they are coming straight out of Fox's share. What does anyone supposed Fox's response will be? Will they try to out-crazy Newmax and get those viewers back - even if it costs them the few remaining sane on air personnel they still have (i.e. Chris Wallace? Will Lachan Murdoch tell dad he's tired of being embarrassed in his social set and wants to try his hand at running a real news organization? Something will have to give because I can't see Fox standing still in the face of ratings loses. Once the viewership binge from the election is over, all the cable news outlets are going to be fighting hard for viewership.

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4 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

so I was just reading a story about Newsmax starting to pull enough Trumpy Fox viewers to get real ratings and they are coming straight out of Fox's share. What does anyone supposed Fox's response will be? Will they try to out-crazy Newmax and get those viewers back - even if it costs them the few remaining sane on air personnel they still have (i.e. Chris Wallace? Will Lachan Murdoch tell dad he's tired of being embarrassed in his social set and wants to try his hand at running a real news organization? Something will have to give because I can't see Fox standing still in the face of ratings loses.

Fox is on every common place TV in the Country along side CNN. Newsmax has a long way to go to get there. 

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10 minutes ago, ROMAD1 said:

Fox is on every common place TV in the Country along side CNN. Newsmax has a long way to go to get there. 

quite true, but I imagine Newsmax only has to pull enough viewers to let CNN or MSNBC pull into a few timeslot leads for the war parties to start forming up at Fox.

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3 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

so I was just reading a story about Newsmax starting to pull enough Trumpy Fox viewers to get real ratings and they are coming straight out of Fox's share. What does anyone supposed Fox's response will be? Will they try to out-crazy Newmax and get those viewers back - even if it costs them the few remaining sane on air personnel they still have (i.e. Chris Wallace? Will Lachan Murdoch tell dad he's tired of being embarrassed in his social set and wants to try his hand at running a real news organization? Something will have to give because I can't see Fox standing still in the face of ratings loses. Once the viewership binge from the election is over, all the cable news outlets are going to be fighting hard for viewership.

I think that Fox has to come back to reality now, and be a right wing broadcast that is the voice of sensible conservatism and isn't just dumb-*** Trumpy.  Personally I would let Tucker go, he has enough of a following that he could easily set up somewhere else.  They could start insulting the **** out of Trumpies with no teeth and still be way way to the right of CNN or MSNBC.  That's where they need to be to try to have any relevance going forward. 

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I also would like to see a real conservative news network that isn't just Trumpy conspiracy theories.  We need a balance of liberal/conservative, but the conservatives need to go back to just being mean rather than mean and stupid.   

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When there were only three networks and they all made their money in Primetime and operated their news divisions not caring if they made much money, you could have had a conservative network for just the never Trumpers. But I don't see it in today's world. Murdoch wants to make money, and the biggest single viewing block for news are conservative old people with their TVs on all night and most of every day. Above all else, Murdoch, is a greedy SOB, so Fox is put together to make the most money by attracting and holding that market, and it's going to pander to that audience in any way it needs to to hold it. If the never Trumpers were a big enough audience of a news network, we wouldn't be looking at there still being a high probability of a GOP Senate in 10 days. 

Besides, half the total population of never Trumpers are already working for MSNBC.... xD

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24 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I also would like to see a real conservative news network that isn't just Trumpy conspiracy theories.  We need a balance of liberal/conservative, but the conservatives need to go back to just being mean rather than mean and stupid.   

Give WGN America's News Nation look. It might be what you're looking for.

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Old line GOP continues find the new GOP unintelligible. Michael Gerson tries his hand at casting Hawley into the outer darkness.

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we must ensure that the aspirations of people such as Hawley — who has made the madness more mainstream — come to nothing. This begins with a simple and sad recognition: The ambitions of this knowledgeable, talented young man are now a threat to the republic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/josh-hawleys-heedless-ambition-is-a-threat-to-the-republic/2020/12/31/1d3f8260-4b9c-11eb-a9f4-0e668b9772ba_story.html

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On 12/27/2020 at 8:22 PM, ROMAD1 said:

Fox is on every common place TV in the Country along side CNN. Newsmax has a long way to go to get there. 

theyre both on directv now.

the cable companies will be adding them quickly cause there is a huge market for what theyre selling.

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Basically Amash advocating starting a new party focusing on rule of law and individual rights.

The link works for me but won’t imbed. There is also a notice the tweet or subsequent tweets have been deleted

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29 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

Basically Amash advocating starting a new party focusing on rule of law and individual rights.

The link works for me but won’t imbed. There is also a notice the tweet or subsequent tweets have been deleted

This is what I've advocated.

Or taking over the Libertarian Party and starting from there.

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On 1/7/2021 at 4:10 PM, CMRivdog said:

Basically Amash advocating starting a new party focusing on rule of law and individual rights.

The link works for me but won’t imbed. There is also a notice the tweet or subsequent tweets have been deleted

lol.  hahahahahahaha.

good luck with your four votes, justin.

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The libertarian **** will never sell, because hardly anybody really wants that.  People like to talk about rugged individualism but they really don't want it.  Americans are soft.  They want stuff and those who promise stuff will get the votes.    

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On 1/7/2021 at 5:40 PM, 84 Lives!!! said:

This is what I've advocated.

Or taking over the Libertarian Party and starting from there.

May not need to.  Pelosi and the dems are out there about to do to the GOP what they can't do themselves, fix them.  Several republicans have already stated they'd support removal or requested him to resign.  I think we might see the flood gates open with Murkowski.  Sasse already indicated he might be open to it.  Several governors have said he needs to be removed as well, including Hogan who holds decent weight with the centrist side of the party.  With GA flipping the Senate, Pelosi will be giving McConnell the opportunity for the semi ****-tards to deal a blow to the complete ****-tards part of the party.  

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5 hours ago, Buddha said:

lol.  hahahahahahaha.

good luck with your four votes, justin.

yeah - Amash is just a curio - he's a principled kook. We can appreciate his honesty and his fidelity to principle but we are not much interested in the actual principles to which his fidelity is directed.

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1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

May not need to.  Pelosi and the dems are out there about to do to the GOP what they can't do themselves, fix them.  Several republicans have already stated they'd support removal or requested him to resign.  I think we might see the flood gates open with Murkowski.  Sasse already indicated he might be open to it.  Several governors have said he needs to be removed as well, including Hogan who holds decent weight with the centrist side of the party....

That's only the first step.

The second step is a complete repudiation of Trumpism from mainstream Republicans. This includes specifically the racism and the willingness to resort to fascist violence. All of the rest of a Republican Party agenda, which I don't even know what that is anymore... but let's start with a re-commitment to the global trading network (NOT destructive Tariff Wars) and fiscal responsibility (NOT slashing taxes irresponsibly leading to $1 Trillion annual deficits). How about a viable health care plan or climate change plan?

The problem is the third step: Become a viable and reliable conservative party again. The problem now, and for the next several (5-10?) years is that they will not be able to regain control of the Republican Party again without being overwhelmed by the Red Hats. No Republican Party candidate to Congress, Senate, or President will be viable without sucking up to the Red Hats, even with Trump out of the picture if he is impeached (by the Senate) and barred from public office. This is the problem I now have with the Republican Party.

In order to destroy Trumpism, at least down to a fringe movement, they will have to lose all, or most, political power in order to discredit their grotesque movement.

That means centrist, or mainstream Pubs will have to stick with Dems for the near future, to defeat and discredit politically, the Red Hats.

And when they try to regain control of the Party, they may not be able to do so from the inside, without again being overwhelmed by the Red Hats.

That leaves me with my statement above. My preference is that center-right Pubs or moderate Pubs create a separate party, or overtake the Libertarian Party and reformat it into a legitimate Neo-Republican or Neo-Libertarian party. I actually think this is viable because if the party is renamed/ rebranded & then led by real Republicans willing to try this with a restart (not Amash, but he can join in too.. I'm talking Sasse/ Kasich/ Romney, etc...), they have a chance to:

Be destructive to the Red Hat/ Trumpublican Party. Gather a following under THEIR terms and not under RED HAT terms. That might take several years. And it's critical they wound Trumpublicans deeply. Only at that point do the Trumpublicans have to decide whether to give up and join the Neo-Republicans, or hand over power of the Republican Party to non-fascist/ populist Republican leadership in a recombination of the two parties. If they are successful with their NON-racist agenda, and RESPONSIBLE conservative agenda... Neo-Republicans may attract new young conservatives and rebuild their party (in the image I want them to be). Which means they BETTER also come up with a health care policy, a climate change policy, etc...

Fat chance that happens. But that's my wish list.

Other than that... The Republican Party as currently constituted is DEAD to me. Because of the Red Hats.

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39 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

That's only the first step.

No doubt.  Trump was always going to bring the party down, it was just a matter of how long it would take.  IMO, in a purely political stance, Pelosi and then Biden could let him skate, say they aren't doing anything to heal the country, and enjoy an influx of independents that are appalled by Trump and realizing just how idiotic his base has become.

By doing this, they are burning the GOP to the ground which is about the only way I can envision some form of viable GOP party in the future should the moderates win out and are the ones rebuilding.  It's simply the only shot to have a future for the party.  Long shot indeed, but a shot nonetheless.  

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