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6 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

Detroit-only hits are:

Ty at 3,900 even.

3,007 Al Kaline

2,839 Charlie Gehringer

2,499 Harry Heilmann

2,466 Sam Crawford

2,369 Lou Whitaker

2,365 Alan Trammell

2,121 Miggy

Those will never be broken I am afraid with the modern Free Agency market.

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14 hours ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

Detroit-only hits are:

Ty at 3,900 even.

3,007 Al Kaline

2,839 Charlie Gehringer

2,499 Harry Heilmann

2,466 Sam Crawford

2,369 Lou Whitaker

2,365 Alan Trammell

2,121 Miggy

Tough to accomplish these days.  Lot of Tiger lifers back in the day. 

Miggy still can reasonably pass some Tigers in total bases, doubles, home runs, runs created, extra base hits and times on base.  Possibly sac flies.

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On 9/8/2021 at 11:07 PM, socaltiger said:

Miggy with 593 doubles heading for 600. I think there are only two players with 500 HR-3000 hits-600 doubles - Hank Aaron and Pujos ? Miggy will be 3 

If you include a .300+ career BA, the list is even shorter.  600 doubles is an exclusive club, but so many older players were triples hitters as well.  The current active leader in triples is Dexter Fowler with 82.  He's tied for 263rd.

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23 minutes ago, ktpinnacle said:

If you include a .300+ career BA, the list is even shorter.  600 doubles is an exclusive club, but so many older players were triples hitters as well.  The current active leader in triples is Dexter Fowler with 82.  He's tied for 263rd.

Wow

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3 hours ago, tiger337 said:

I think the biggest advantage of steroids is injury recovery which is especially important for older players.  It is likely Cabrera's biggest problem as well.  

I believe the biggest advantage was the artificial enhancement of bat speed.

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8 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

Maybe, but it definitely extended careers.  Players in that era were lasting longer than they did previously or since.  

Sure, but it wasn't all injury prevention. Players generally lose bat speed around age 30. Bonds had improved bat speed at age 39 from age 31. That doesn't happen naturally.

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There's no question that injury recovery is the main benefit, it's the reason why the sprinters were using it in the first place.  Steroids and HGH don't make you stronger or quicker, you have to lift weights for that.  The injections help your body to recover, so you can lift more frequently and for longer periods.

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4 minutes ago, Charles Liston said:

 Steroids and HGH don't make you stronger or quicker, you have to lift weights for that.  The injections help your body to recover, so you can lift more frequently and for longer periods.

Which makes you stronger and quicker. The artificial testosterone does allow for improved muscle tissue. It doesn't affect skill or agility, but definitely enhances strength and explosion.

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34 minutes ago, Longgone said:

Which makes you stronger and quicker. The artificial testosterone does allow for improved muscle tissue. It doesn't affect skill or agility, but definitely enhances strength and explosion.

I don't think that we are disagreeing.  Lee's point was that older players performed better because of recovery, which is not incorrect.

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9 hours ago, Champ79 said:

His all time numbers are going to be close to Rafael Palmeiro. Has there been a more forgotten great hitter. For a lefty and roid era guy of course.

I'd say Eddie Murray.  Clean and quiet HOF production for 21 years.

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