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1 minute ago, Sydney_Fife said:

Hood would be RFA. Pistons could go over the cap to sign him. They'll be up against the tax though. Could look to dump Galloway.

Maybe Galloway is included in the Hood deal?

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1 minute ago, mickeyb105 said:

At least you are consistent.  You didn't give Hinkie credit for paving the future for Philly, and now you won't give SVG credit for SVG turning spare parts into its first superstar since Hill.

You sound like my girlfriend, always twisting my words. ;)

I never said that Hinkie didn't deserve any credit and in fact, I actually used the word "credit" several times in my previous posts.  I just said that he wasn't some genius and some serious luck was involved.

I'll give SVG credit when the team actually does something noteworthy.  4 years and waiting.

BTW, and I said it before, I understand why some are excited about the move. However, I have my reservations for the reasons I mentioned before and I stand by that.  I'd love to be proven wrong and it certainly wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.  I was a huge fan of the Stanley pick for one. O.o

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4 minutes ago, NYLion said:

You sound like my girlfriend, always twisting my words. ;)

I never said that Hinkie didn't deserve any credit and in fact, I actually used the word "credit" several times in my previous posts.  I just said that he wasn't some genius and some serious luck was involved.

I'll give SVG credit when the team actually does something noteworthy.  4 years and waiting.

BTW, and I said it before, I understand why some are excited about the move. However, I have my reservations for the reasons I mentioned before and I stand by that.  I'd love to be proven wrong and it certainly wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.  I was a huge fan of the Stanley pick for one. O.o

I loved the Stanley pick that year as well, but his actions concerning the Drew League showed me his priorities weren't the same as his coach's.  That's a problem for an underperforming young player. 

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7 minutes ago, mickeyb105 said:

I loved the Stanley pick that year as well, but his actions concerning the Drew League showed me his priorities weren't the same as his coach's.  That's a problem for an underperforming young player. 

I frankly wrote him off after Drew League.

I know that may prove premature.

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So, here are my thoughts:
 
1) This is a make or break move for SVG. If the Blake Griffin era is failure, SVG has got to go. Blake's health & contract are major concerns. If he stays healthy, he is well worth the money. 
 
2) Blake Griffin is the best player we have had in a Pistons uniform since the 2004 championship Pistons. He is still an elite player at his position, and among the best players in the NBA. Very few players posses his combination of size, speed, athleticism, scoring ability, passing ability, ball handling and rebounding. We finally have a go-to scorer. And given Blake's recent move to shoot 3's (shooting 34% on a career high 5.7 attempts/game), his game could age gracefully. 
 
3) The loss of the draft pick stings. But if you step back and look at it, how likely would it have been for us to grab a player of Griffin's caliber with where we would have selected? 
 
4) The huge contract stings. But again, how likely would we have been to sign anyone of Griffin's caliber with the cap space?
 
Bottom line, SVG took a massive risk here. But for a franchise like ours that hasn't attracted free agents, it is a risk worth taking to acquire a guy with Griffin's talent level. 

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Just now, Sydney_Fife said:

Willie Reed > Eric Moreland.

Plus Griffin can be the backup C.

And they dumped Boban's contract when he never played.

Yes, the backup C spot just got better. And Blake will likely play some 5 depending on matchups as well.

Another aspect is Kennard will get an increase in minutes. 

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7 minutes ago, Sydney_Fife said:

Willie Reed > Eric Moreland.

Plus Griffin can be the backup C.

And they dumped Boban's contract when he never played.

Reed could have some offers next year as a cheap backup big.  I wonder how much he would command?  $4M?

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24 minutes ago, mickeyb105 said:

Reed could have some offers next year as a cheap backup big.  I wonder how much he would command?  $4M?

Blake at PF and Andre at C.

Bring back Tolliver on the MLE and use Leuer as the backup C. Ellenson and Moreland for depth. Reed leaves.

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2 minutes ago, Sydney_Fife said:

Blake at PF and Andre at C.

Bring back Tolliver on the MLE and use Leuer as the backup C. Ellenson and Moreland for depth. Reed leaves.

I'm certainly not attached to Reed, but it seems Leuer and that $10M contract should be moved if Tolliver is going to be the full-time backup 4? 

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11 minutes ago, mickeyb105 said:

I'm certainly not attached to Reed, but it seems Leuer and that $10M contract should be moved if Tolliver is going to be the full-time backup 4? 

If we can move it. I am not sure what is going on with Leuer's health, but it would be nice if we could get some sort of Disabled Player Exception or something. 

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15 minutes ago, mickeyb105 said:

I'm certainly not attached to Reed, but it seems Leuer and that $10M contract should be moved if Tolliver is going to be the full-time backup 4? 

Yeah, I'd rather move Leuer and re-sign Reed and Brice on the dirt-cheap.

I don't really know anything about these two guys... but Reed seems more like a traditional backup C, I'd love to dump Leuer's salary, and that puts more pressure on Ellenson to develop and contribute.

But I'm good with all of those issues, and are all reasons I'd rather move on from Leuer...

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Now that the initial excitement has worn off, I don't like this trade at all.

Huge risk with almost no upside.  I'm a gambler, I love risk. But the ones I take have a big payoff at the end.  There is no payoff here and never will be.  It didn't improve their odds to win a title at all.  It didn't improve their odds to build a team capable of winning a title.  

This will not end well.  

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LMAO, Sully just mentioned to Valenti on the Ticket that Derrick Rose has played in more games than Blake Griffin over the past three seasons.

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6 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Now that the initial excitement has worn off, I don't like this trade at all.

Huge risk with almost no upside.  I'm a gambler, I love risk. But the ones I take have a big payoff at the end.  There is no payoff here and never will be.  It didn't improve their odds to win a title at all.  It didn't improve their odds to build a team capable of winning a title.  

This will not end well.  

It definitely will not end well. The Pistons have very little young talent, no additional picks, and they'll never be major players in free agency.

But in the here and now, I think they just got a lot better for next season. Griffin and Drummond forms the most dominant front court in the East. If Jackson returns to form, they'll have a good PG with shooters Kennard and Bullock on the wing. Ish, Galloway, Johnson, Tolliver, Leuer is a good bench. They got possibly compete for home court in round 1 next season, especially if the Cavs implode.

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2 minutes ago, Sydney_Fife said:

It definitely will not end well. The Pistons have very little young talent, no additional picks, and they'll never be major players in free agency.

But in the here and now, I think they just got a lot better for next season. Griffin and Drummond forms the most dominant front court in the East. If Jackson returns to form, they'll have a good PG with shooters Kennard and Bullock on the wing. Ish, Galloway, Johnson, Tolliver, Leuer is a good bench. They got possibly compete for home court in round 1 next season, especially if the Cavs implode.

Assuming Blake stays healthy, I agree with this.  

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3 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Assuming Blake stays healthy, I agree with this.  

SVG keeps on kicking that can down the road.

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17 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Now that the initial excitement has worn off, I don't like this trade at all.

Huge risk with almost no upside.  I'm a gambler, I love risk. But the ones I take have a big payoff at the end.  There is no payoff here and never will be.  It didn't improve their odds to win a title at all.  It didn't improve their odds to build a team capable of winning a title.  

This will not end well.  

By itself, no this move doesn't make them title contenders. But can it bring them closer to making a title contending team? 


If Blake stays healthy, I say it does. 
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7 hours ago, Sydney_Fife said:

A franchise like the Pistons has to make deals like this. You either have to be all in to win or all in to tank. Griffin immediately becomes the best player to play for the Pistons in 10-12 years. He's signed long-term for a ton of money, but at least they have the security that he is staying here and they can pair him with Drummond. 

Let's say LeBron goes west next year and the Cavs become a mess. It's not inconceivable that the Pistons would have a CHANCE to win a playoff series or two next season. Ultimately that's what people want, a winner. You don't win in the NBA without a star, and the Pistons got one. A GUY THAT CAN ACTUALLY GET TO THE FOUL LINE. WHAT A CONCEPT.

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I would also argue that there are a couple stars in that picture, at least. Maybe not any superstars, but still. 

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Just now, Shelton said:

I would also argue that there are a couple stars in that picture, at least. Maybe not any superstars, but still. 

That team had multiple HOF players (Billups & Ben) along with 2 other All-Stars (Rip & Rasheed) and great role players (Tayshuan, Hunter, James, etc) and a HOF coach (Larry Brown). 

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