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1 minute ago, Casimir said:

I think there might be another move, although I'm not sure who/how.  I wouldn't be surprised if its one of Jackson/Drummond.  It'd almost certainly have to be one or the other to get anyone worth it in return.

I hope you are right.

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6 minutes ago, Sydney_Fife said:

Tobias Harris isn't very good. We've been saying that on here since he arrived. Awful defensively. Doesn't rebound. Doesn't really do anything exceptionally well, beside his 3 point shooting which boomed at the start of the season. 

I guess I hadn't noticed how much his 3 point shooting has fallen off of the cliff in January.  Noted on the defense and rebounding.

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4 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

That's gotta be the current "operative" word: interesting. Have no idea which direction it will go... but it will be "interesting" to see how this develops.

Personally, I'm damn excited...

Me too.

I think Cas is right in that another move could very well be coming.

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12 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

Premature.

I don't think it is.  They are a worse version of the Pelicans, at least on paper, and have little wiggle room to make improvements elsewhere.

Change is exciting, and my God did the Pistons need change, I just don't think this move makes them any sort of contender. They will be fun to watch though, that is when Blake is actually on the floor.

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1 minute ago, Casimir said:

I think there might be another move, although I'm not sure who/how.  I wouldn't be surprised if its one of Jackson/Drummond.  It'd almost certainly have to be one or the other to get anyone worth it in return.

It won't be Drummond. Not even close.

SVG and Gores WANT to see Dre (Drummond) & Griffin reprise Dre (Jordan) & Griffin.

Lob City in the D!

I'm thinking another move also, but you're talking Jackson and or Stanley, and whatever other spare parts are needed.

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2 minutes ago, mickeyb105 said:

I think it will be ugly for awhile as well--kinda like when Stackhouse first arrived two decades ago.

It's not like Griffin is Ish :)  

Just..... wow.

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I’m happy with the deal. It’s a risk to take on that contract, but the pistons are a team that needs to take some risks. They weren’t going anywhere.

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1 minute ago, NYLion said:

I don't think it is.  They are a worse version of the Pelicans, at least on paper, and have little wiggle room to make improvements elsewhere.

Change is exciting, and my God did the Pistons need change, I just don't think this move makes them any sort of contender. They will be fun to watch though, that is when Blake is actually on the floor.

Premature in the sense that they are not going to stop making moves. This isn't a finished product.

But you've already written them off as done for. Never winning a championship. Mired in mediocrity.

It's way too premature to make any judgements on this team's near future (next 3-4 years). We simply don't know what else Bower/ SVG will be able to pull off. IMO.

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3 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

It's way too premature to make any judgements on this team's near future (next 3-4 years). We simply don't know what else Bower/ SVG will be able to pull off. IMO.

With the cap situation where it's at, Bower/SVG will have to surround Drummond and Griffin with younger, cheaper players - preferably from the draft.  Kennard could be a good fit, Johnson is bench fodder, Ellenson doesn't appear to have a future here, and there isn't a 1st round pick in 2018.

The Pistons offense going forward pretty much has to be lobbing the ball towards the rim and hoping Drummond or Griffin will grab it for a slam dunk.

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11 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

Premature in the sense that they are not going to stop making moves. This isn't a finished product.

But you've already written them off as done for. Never winning a championship. Mired in mediocrity.

It's way too premature to make any judgements on this team's near future (next 3-4 years). We simply don't know what else Bower/ SVG will be able to pull off. IMO.

What assets do they have to pull off other significant moves?  Kennard is the only real value asset and I can't see them dealing Drummond.

I get the excitement because of the star power Griffin brings and I'm not trying to poop on the parade of those who are excited but I just don't see how this team can contend for the eastern conference title.  However, it will be interesting to see how it materialises which is good in itself.

On another note, is Blake in the lineup tonight? TNT at home against the Cavs, is there a better time to debut?

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As soon as I heard this this morning, my first thought was "This is the day that will make or break the VanGundy era in Detroit."

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1 minute ago, NYLion said:

What assets do they have to pull off other significant moves?  Kennard is the only real value asset and I can't see them dealing Drummond.

I get the excitement because of the star power Griffin brings and I'm not trying to poop on the parade of those who are excited but I just don't see how this team can contend for the eastern conference title.  However, it will be interesting to see how it materialises which is good in itself.

On another note, is Blake in the lineup tonight.  TNT at home against the Cavs, is there a better time to debut?

Blake in the lineup?

Crap! I gotta go watch that game!

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2 minutes ago, NYLion said:

What assets do they have to pull off other significant moves?  ...

What assets did they use to obtain Marcus Morris? What assets did they use to obtain Tobias Harris? What assets did they use to obtain Reggie Jackson? What assets did they use to obtain Avery Bradley? What assets did they use to obtain Blake Griffin?

You're writing off Bower and SVG's creativity. I'm not certain why.

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3 minutes ago, Euphdude said:

With the cap situation where it's at, Bower/SVG will have to surround Drummond and Griffin with younger, cheaper players - preferably from the draft.  Kennard could be a good fit, Johnson is bench fodder, Ellenson doesn't appear to have a future here, and there isn't a 1st round pick in 2018.

The Pistons offense going forward pretty much has to be lobbing the ball towards the rim and hoping Drummond or Griffin will grab it for a slam dunk.

The Pistons appear set to trade Johnson for Rodney Hood.

Hood is averaging 16.7  PTS, featuring 38.6 3pt shooting but is on an expiring rookie deal.

Hood turns 26 in OCT.

This would give the Pistons three legit  three-point shooting wings, with Kennard and Bullock being the other two.  Hood can handle the ball some and get his own shot as well.

The addition of Hood would make Detroit one of the strongest offensive teams in the East given Jackson comes back and offers the production he did before injury this year.

 

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3 minutes ago, mickeyb105 said:

The Pistons appear set to trade Johnson for Rodney Hood.

Hood can opt out of his rookie contract after this season and become an UFA.  Would the Pistons have the cap space to re-sign him?

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Hood sucks at defense though, so...

I'm not so certain about that move. It feels like SVG is giving up too soon on a young player again. I know SJ looks like he sucks right now... But I have a feeling he figures out how to turn that around. Don't know when and... I guess SVG is not going to have the patience to wait for that to happen so... mixed feelings.

And we're going to end up getting outscored by teams that out shoot our crappy defense. With Hood I mean, if that trade happens...

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So, essentially SVG turned Ersan Ilysasova, Brandon Jennings, Marcus Morris, and a couple of picks into Blake Griffin? Yeah, I can't really say that's a bad move. Not without its risks and maybe not the position I would have gone for in today's NBA, but there was no other way we were bringing a real start to Detroit. If nothing else this'll brings some interest back to the Pistons and give them a chance at winning some of those games that come down to crunch time.

I'm curious to see what other moves they have up their sleeve before the deadline.

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16 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

What assets did they use to obtain Marcus Morris? What assets did they use to obtain Tobias Harris? What assets did they use to obtain Reggie Jackson? What assets did they use to obtain Avery Bradley? What assets did they use to obtain Blake Griffin?

You're writing off Bower and SVG's creativity. I'm not certain why.

Yeah and how far did those players get them?

I'm writing them off because they have been a big zero thus far, not one playoff win in 4 years, trading away young talent that flourished elsewhere, losing prominent free agents for nothing and a horrendous drafting record. Maybe this move will work out but they don't exactly have the track record that should earn any fan trust, at least not from this Pistons fan.

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1 minute ago, Euphdude said:

Hood can opt out of his rookie contract after this season and become an UFA.  Would the Pistons have the cap space to re-sign him?

That is questionable, though they get his Bird rights.  $12-14M per sounds right for Hood.

Just now, 84 Lives!!! said:

Hood sucks at defense though, so...

I'm not so certain about that move. It feels like SVG is giving up too soon on a young player again. I know SJ looks like he sucks right now... But I have a feeling he figures out how to turn that around. Don't know when and... I guess SVG is not going to have the patience to wait for that to happen so... mixed feelings.

And we're going to end up getting outscored by teams that out shoot our crappy defense. With Hood I mean, if that trade happens...

Hood certainly isn't a strong defender, but he would be an really good bench scorer for Detroit.  

I'm not sure if SVG is so much giving up on Johnson as he is acquiring an asset that could help him make a mini-playoff run this season.

I'm neutral on Hood, but he supplies Harris' scoring and 3pt shooting for the price of Johnson.  Seems like you have to gamble on that.

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Just now, NYLion said:

Yeah and how far did those players get them?

I'm writing them off because they have been a big zero thus far, not one playoff win in 4 years.

At least you are consistent.  You didn't give Hinkie credit for paving the future for Philly, and now you won't give SVG credit for SVG turning spare parts into its first superstar since Hill.

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Hood would be RFA. Pistons could go over the cap to sign him. They'll be up against the tax though. Could look to dump Galloway.

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