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Just now, 84 Lives!!! said:

One point of contention:

Aside from the 1st and 2nd rounders (the 1st anticipated to be in the 13-18 range?), the actual age of players traded/ received are:

29 -  Marjanovic

27 - Bradley

25 - Harris

for:

28 - Griffin

27 - Willie Reed

23 - Brice Johnson.

I don't see the age point... And we'll see if Reed/ Johnson turn into serviceable back up big men (that we were looking for anyways). I'm especially eager to see if we have an actual backup Center in Willie Reed. A lot less Moreland/ Boban backing up Dre seems like a good thing...

I think the deal boils down to Harris and Bradley (although, to be fair, he is at the end of his contract) for Griffin.  The rest are nonentities, just stuff to make the salaries work out.

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4 minutes ago, Sydney_Fife said:

He is shooting almost 6 attempts per game. So it's a high volume of shots. Percentage isn't that bad.

So he shoots them even though he isn't good at making them.  Great.

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10 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

The Hinkie route was a ridiculous idea.

Never had a possibility of happening, at all. And you guys know it too. I don't know why you were even dreaming/ discussing the possibility.

Gores/ SVG signing on for the Hinkie plan? Pipe dream.

If LBJ or PG13 signs with Philly in the summer, how ridiculous will it look then?

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2 minutes ago, Casimir said:

So he shoots them even though he isn't good at making them.  Great.

34 percent on 6 tries a game isn't awful

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17 minutes ago, Sydney_Fife said:

Hope to strike oil in the lottery, lol. Sounds just as risky as trading for Blake and hoping he stays healthy. If Blake and Jackson are healthy, the Pistons will compete for home court in round 1 next year.

There's an inherent "risk" in everything sports franchises do. Mitigating that risk as much as possible is the goal, and I'll always take a star player for essentially "spare parts" and a draft pick seems like a pretty good deal to me. Bradley was walking, Harris is terrible when the shot doesn't fall, and Boban doesn't play. Not to mention Harris is a FA after next season. If the Pistons make the playoffs this year, it's the next Henry Ellenson.

I don't really care too much about the assets they parted with.  My concern is taking on an injury prone max contract player who is entering the wrong side of his prime. Another thing is that he could easily pout here, he's always been a bit of a diva and now getting away from his cushy year long L.A. lifestyle which he enjoys very much? Could be trouble. 

I don't about you guys but I'd like to see a team that has a hope to get to the NBA finals one day and compete for a championship, this team will never do that. It's the same issue they had before, NBA purgatory not good enough to compete for anything meaningful and not bad enough to have an opportunity to draft a franchise player who can potentially lead them to a championship one day.  They will be more entertaining and I'm sure more fans will show up but other than that, I don't see too much difference in the direction of the team.

I know the Pistons need to take risks like this to bring a superstar to Detroit but I think this was the wrong risk.  This is the definition of spinning their wheels.

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1 minute ago, Casimir said:

So he shoots them even though he isn't good at making them.  Great.

Harris' 3pt shooting was worse in JAN than Blake's.

Jackson is sitting at 33.9% for the year.

Hopefully the trade means more open looks for Kennard and Bullock, who have always been the real two best shooters on the clubl

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5 minutes ago, mickeyb105 said:

If LBJ or PG13 signs with Philly in the summer, how ridiculous will it look then?

I don't think the Hinkie route is ridiculous in and of itself. In fact I applaud what he did in Philly.

What I am saying is ridiculous is that there is no way in **** Gores or SVG would EVER consider that route, at least at this point in time. So it's ridiculous to even contemplate that as a viable near term option for the Pistons. But I've seen you guys go on and on about going the Hinkie route. Ridiculous.

Was. not. going. to. happen. for the Pistons. Not in 2018.

Now... 2021, maybe we can start talking about that as a real life possibility of happening...

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12 minutes ago, Casimir said:

I think the deal boils down to Harris and Bradley (although, to be fair, he is at the end of his contract) for Griffin.  The rest are nonentities, just stuff to make the salaries work out.

If you want to boil it down: It's really just Harris and a 1st and 2nd for Griffin. 

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7 minutes ago, NYLion said:

... I'd like to see a team that has a hope to get to the NBA finals one day and compete for a championship, this team will never do that. It's the same issue they had before, NBA purgatory not good enough to compete for anything meaningful and ...

Premature.

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6 minutes ago, NYLion said:

I don't really care too much about the assets they parted with.  My concern is taking on an injury prone max contract player who is entering the wrong side of his prime. Another thing is that he could easily pout here, he's always been a bit of a diva and now getting away from his cushy year long L.A. lifestyle which he enjoys very much? Could be trouble. 

I don't about you guys but I'd like to see a team that has a hope to get to the NBA finals one day and compete for a championship, this team will never do that. It's the same issue they had before, NBA purgatory not good enough to compete for anything meaningful and not bad enough to have an opportunity to draft a franchise player who can potentially lead them to a championship one day.  They will be more entertaining and I'm sure more fans will show up but other than that, I don't see too much difference in the direction of the team.

I know the Pistons need to take risks like this to bring a superstar to Detroit but I think this was the wrong risk.  This is the definition of spinning their wheels.

The definition of spinning their wheels was standing pat and continuing to run into the same wall over and over. Harris wasn't going to net much. Bradley's value is an all-time low. Boban had no value. Not really sure you were getting anything beside a first for that package and that would be from Harris.

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4 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

I don't think the Hinkie route is ridiculous in and of itself. In fact I applaud what he did in Philly.

What I am saying is ridiculous is that there is no way in **** Gores or SVG would EVER consider that route, at least at this point in time. So it's ridiculous to even contemplate that as a viable near term option for the Pistons. But I've seen you guys go on and on about going the Hinkie route. Ridiculous.

Was. not. going. to. happen. for the Pistons. Not in 2018.

Now... 2021, maybe we can start talking about that as a real life possibility of happening...

It was contingent on SVG getting fired.  This trade could be SVG's last stand, but at least it is interesting.

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11 minutes ago, Sydney_Fife said:

34 percent on 6 tries a game isn't awful

So he's average, or just slightly below average.  That is different than saying he is a good 3 point shooter which is the point I was trying to make.  Let's not call him a good 3 point shooter since he isn't, at least not in comparison to the rest of the league.

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1 minute ago, Casimir said:

So he's average, or just slightly below average.  That is different than saying he is a good 3 point shooter which is the point I was trying to make.  Let's not call him a good 3 point shooter since he isn't, at least not in comparison to the rest of the league.

You are correct.

But he's also developing that part of his game still- Horford is a good example of how that can evolve.

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Just now, Casimir said:

So he's average, or just slightly below average.  That is different than saying he is a good 3 point shooter which is the point I was trying to make.  Let's not call him a good 3 point shooter since he isn't, at least not in comparison to the rest of the league.

At 34% he is functional.  Considering the diversity it brings to an offense, and considering the quantum leap Griffin is in talent from Harris, it seems like an acceptable trade-off for the sake of ball movement/flow of offense.

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A 28 year old who is a CAREER 22 and 10 guy?  Averages 67 games a year?  Superstar.  For who?  The guy everyone on here says was not clutch at all, a guy who many think is not going to blossom and who?  

I am always excited when my team gets an upgrade and this is an upgrade.  We could have traded for Lebron and given up Kennard and there would have been people bitching about it.

TBF I was the guy SUPER pumped when we got Fielder also.  Griffin is a name in the NBA for a reason.  He is a great player.  A GREAT player.  So he missed 10-15 games a year...I can live with that.

Welcome to Detroit big fella.

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6 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

If you want to boil it down: It's really just Harris and a 1st and 2nd for Griffin. 

So a guy heading into his prime years and some draft picks for a guy already at and maybe on the way down from his prime years.

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2 minutes ago, Sydney_Fife said:

You are correct.

But he's also developing that part of his game still- Horford is a good example of how that can evolve.

Yes, there is that possibility.  But he ain't there yet.

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1 minute ago, Casimir said:

So a guy heading into his prime years and some draft picks for a guy already at and maybe on the way down from his prime years.

Tobias Harris isn't very good. We've been saying that on here since he arrived. Awful defensively. Doesn't rebound. Doesn't really do anything exceptionally well, beside his 3 point shooting which boomed at the start of the season. 

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1 hour ago, Casimir said:

Bring back Josh Smith?

bring him back?  haven't you seen the pistons' salary cap sheet?  HE'S STILL HERE!  HE'S NEVER GOING TO LEAVE!

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Harris shot 31 percent from distance on over 5 shots per game in January.

Regression to the mean. He's like a bigger version of Lou Williams almost.

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7 minutes ago, mickeyb105 said:

It was contingent on SVG getting fired.  This trade could be SVG's last stand, but at least it is interesting.

That's gotta be the current "operative" word: interesting. Have no idea which direction it will go... but it will be "interesting" to see how this develops.

Personally, I'm damn excited...

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3 minutes ago, mickeyb105 said:

At 34% he is functional.  Considering the diversity it brings to an offense, and considering the quantum leap Griffin is in talent from Harris, it seems like an acceptable trade-off for the sake of ball movement/flow of offense.

We'll have to see how the offense flows.  It could be ugly for a while, particularly considering how much time Jackson has lost and bringing him back into game shape.  But Griffin's passing should help as long as defenses can play honest enough on him rather than sag on him and try to exploit the perimeter shooting.

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Just now, 84 Lives!!! said:

That's gotta be the current "operative" word: interesting. Have no idea which direction it will go... but it will be "interesting" to see how this develops.

Personally, I'm damn excited...

I think there might be another move, although I'm not sure who/how.  I wouldn't be surprised if its one of Jackson/Drummond.  It'd almost certainly have to be one or the other to get anyone worth it in return.

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1 minute ago, Casimir said:

We'll have to see how the offense flows.  It could be ugly for a while, particularly considering how much time Jackson has lost and bringing him back into game shape.  But Griffin's passing should help as long as defenses can play honest enough on him rather than sag on him and try to exploit the perimeter shooting.

I think it will be ugly for awhile as well--kinda like when Stackhouse first arrived two decades ago.

It's not like Griffin is Ish :)  

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6 minutes ago, Casimir said:

So a guy heading into his prime years and some draft picks for a guy already at and maybe on the way down from his prime years.

Sydney gave my response to this point already so I'm just going to quote him:

4 minutes ago, Sydney_Fife said:

Tobias Harris isn't very good. We've been saying that on here since he arrived. Awful defensively. Doesn't rebound. Doesn't really do anything exceptionally well, beside his 3 point shooting which boomed at the start of the season. 

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