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4 hours ago, Buddha said:

i think bullock is a much better shooter than kcp and kcp is a much better defender than bullock.

im also glad we didnt pay kcp and am also perturbed that we let him walk for nothing.

I think Bullock is a little slow footed to play the two but I think he is probably not that far off from KCP as a defender if he is guarding threes.  

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1 hour ago, Hart said:

I think Bullock is a little slow footed to play the two but I think he is probably not that far off from KCP as a defender if he is guarding threes.  

There were a few times in the Heat game when his man was running him ragged on D, Reggie couldn't stay with him - though I don't remember who he was trying to cover at then time.

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3 hours ago, Buddha said:

i think some better long term planning by svg might have netted some value for kcp.  they were still trying to make the playoffs last year and trading kcp for a pick wasnt going to help that.

the monroe stuff was criminal short sighted negligence almost on par with the smith stretch.

When would you have expected them to trade KCP?  No one was obviously going to ask us to do a sign and trade and prior to the All-Star break everyone was talking about how KCP was going to be the new face of the franchise and we should be running our offense through him and all kinds of nonsensical things. he was shooting 40% from 3 prior to his injury and his nickname was Max. They weren't trading him at that point, they were signing him to a max deal. Post injury, he quickly became the worst  player on the team practically making signing him to a big long term deal a non-starter. As it is they offered him a lowball contract and got lucky he declined it. 
 

As for the below, I'm probably just thinking this too far, but I get the feeling that the Pistons hardcappping themselves was SVG's way of making it look like they would love to sign KCP to a max deal but we just can't do it...darn salary cap. Over pay Galloway 3 mil a year so you don't have to overpay KCP 8 million a year and not get killed in a public relations massacre. Just my opinion.

4 hours ago, Buddha said:

you dont just let a talent like langston galloway wait to the second day of free agency.

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i think they should have a long term plan in place that should include who they want to keep (and how much it will cost to keep them) and who they are going to let go.  and if theyre not in your long term plans, you need to get something for them.  they should have known what kcp would cost and whether that was in their plans or not.

but its also safe to say that they were trying to win that year and they werent going anywhere without kcp and that his injury/dui may have changed their analysis.

 

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2 minutes ago, Buddha said:

i think they should have a long term plan in place that should include who they want to keep (and how much it will cost to keep them) and who they are going to let go.  and if theyre not in your long term plans, you need to get something for them.  they should have known what kcp would cost and whether that was in their plans or not.

but its also safe to say that they were trying to win that year and they werent going anywhere without kcp and that his injury/dui may have changed their analysis.

 

Impossible to disagree with any of this. 

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38 minutes ago, Buddha said:

is there really no way to get kemba walker on this team?  ellenson, stanley, reggie and a pick wont do it?  what if we take on marvin or mkg too?  still not enough?  dang it.

I'd rather Elfrid and Fournier... but it didn't work earlier when the teams were looking at that I guess...

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4 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

I would certainly offer Ellenson or Moreland plus a 2nd for Dinwiddie. 

The Knicks are thinking of moving Hernangomez as well... Ellenson & a 2nd for Hernangomez; Moreland & a 2nd for Dinwiddie. 

we all complain about how much moreland sucks, why do we think another team wpuld want him?

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10 hours ago, Hart said:

I think Bullock is a little slow footed to play the two but I think he is probably not that far off from KCP as a defender if he is guarding threes.  

I find this interesting because I've been considering what a likely 9 man rotation would look like once Jackson is healthy (if everyone could be healthy at once).

Obviously Jackson, Griffin, and Drummond start.  I think Bullock has probably earned a starting spot as well.  But what about at the 3 with Galloway at the 2.  Hear me out on this, there's only one basketball and Galloway isn't going to be high up on the hierarchy of offensive focus anyway.  Kennard can be brought off of the bench to help the scoring with the second unit where he and Tolliver can spread the floor with either of Drummond/Blake in the middle. 

And even with Galloway starting, it doesn't necessarily mean he gets starter minutes.  Johnson can be brought in earlier and move Bullock to the 2 against bigger backcourts. 

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2 hours ago, Casimir said:

I find this interesting because I've been considering what a likely 9 man rotation would look like once Jackson is healthy (if everyone could be healthy at once).

Obviously Jackson, Griffin, and Drummond start.  I think Bullock has probably earned a starting spot as well.  But what about at the 3 with Galloway at the 2.  Hear me out on this, there's only one basketball and Galloway isn't going to be high up on the hierarchy of offensive focus anyway.  Kennard can be brought off of the bench to help the scoring with the second unit where he and Tolliver can spread the floor with either of Drummond/Blake in the middle. 

And even with Galloway starting, it doesn't necessarily mean he gets starter minutes.  Johnson can be brought in earlier and move Bullock to the 2 against bigger backcourts. 

IDK - Stan already loves Stanley and they way he is playing recently probably only more so.

I agree Stanley and Bullock on the floor together looks more possible - as long as Stanley can defend the better offensive player between the other teams' 2 and 3.

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10 hours ago, Buddha said:

i think they should have a long term plan in place that should include who they want to keep (and how much it will cost to keep them) and who they are going to let go.  and if theyre not in your long term plans, you need to get something for them.  they should have known what kcp would cost and whether that was in their plans or not.

but its also safe to say that they were trying to win that year and they werent going anywhere without kcp and that his injury/dui may have changed their analysis.

 

Yep. 

I wonder if the long term plan was to sign KCP all along, but they simply changed their mind for whatever reason. At that point, their previous plan became a sunk cost. And the new plan became trading Morris or Tobias to get a KCP replacement, and with that being the new plan, hard capping themselves didn’t matter. 

Who knows.

at any rate, I like having griffin now. All the past moves got us to this point so whatever. 

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1 minute ago, Sydney_Fife said:

Don't really see much for the Pistons to do at this point. I think this summer they'll look to move Leuer, but it will be tough.

I don't know how related to Leuer this is, but SVG has barely kicked the tires on Willie Reed.  

With AT shooting the lights out right now, Leuer is really easy to forget about for sure.

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7 hours ago, Sydney_Fife said:

Don't really see much for the Pistons to do at this point. I think this summer they'll look to move Leuer, but it will be tough.

A lot of teams want to move their bad contracts from the reckless spending of 2016.  That's just very unlikely to happen.  The Pistons should shut Leuer down for surgery and get it over with because this seems like it is going to be a lingering issue.  Hope for the best and maybe we can trade him next year at the deadline if he is expendable.  Quite frankly, I don't think there is a huge need for him this year as well as Tolliver is playing, unless we deal with more injuries.  

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19 hours ago, Buddha said:

i think they should have a long term plan in place that should include who they want to keep (and how much it will cost to keep them) and who they are going to let go.  and if theyre not in your long term plans, you need to get something for them.  they should have known what kcp would cost and whether that was in their plans or not.

but its also safe to say that they were trying to win that year and they werent going anywhere without kcp and that his injury/dui may have changed their analysis.

 

pre injury, signing him to a max deal was most likely their plan. AFter the injury it changed but by then the trade window had closed.

Monroe, no doubt they should have traded him, Josh Smith...definitely should have traded him for whatever we were offered. Trading KCP was never a real possibility.

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1 hour ago, mickeyb105 said:

What do you try to get for Marco if you're ATL?

A second rounder.  

Given we don't have a first round pick, I am not even sure I would do this from the Pistons point of view.  It's not like Belinelli is going to put this team over the top.  For another team though that has multiple picks, it might be worth it.  

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