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10 hours ago, Yoda said:

I'm guessing Chuck doesn't do a lot of cloud backups. Though I would assume Howard would be hip enough to do that for him. 

edit: I'm surprised Howard has been in every episode so far. I wouldn't have guessed that. 

NVM I see this was addressed.

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6 hours ago, VegasTiger said:

I don't think they're doing anything with the tape. I think finding out about the duplicate tape plays into the idea that Chuck manipulated Jimmy into breaking into the house and destroying it. He's not facing the bar for anything actually on the tape. It's the B&E and assault.

The tape of Jimmy admitting to fraud is what will lead to his disbarment.

If the content of the tape wasn't relevant, they wouldn't have it admitted as evidence.

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8 hours ago, John_Brian_K said:

IIRC it is the assault charge that is the tricky one.  How do you get past that charge?  Chuck is not going to corroborate that Jimmy did not assault him because he knows that is the ONLY charge that COULD get him disbarred.  

Did JImmy actually assault Chuck? Or did he B&E by busting a door and then theft of property?

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2 hours ago, TigerNation said:

The tape of Jimmy admitting to fraud is what will lead to his disbarment.

If the content of the tape wasn't relevant, they wouldn't have it admitted as evidence.

No.

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8 hours ago, lordstanley said:

Did JImmy actually assault Chuck? Or did he B&E by busting a door and then theft of property?

He never touched him, but he backed him into some cabinets.  I am guessing Chuck through that charge in there because he knew it would take a felony for disbarment and figured Jimmy would just go along with it and move along to avoid jail time.

What is starting to peak my interest is the Gus angle.  I am REALLY wondering if Jimmy, at the beginning of the BB series, was basically straight laced until he met WW and then just toppled over to the dark side or was he involved in some really shady stuff before he even meets WW.  I am pretty sure he was involved with Gus in some way before BB started, but to what extent.  Surely a man like Gus did not have a shady, strip mall, ambulance chaser as his lawyer.  Gus unlike WW is an upstanding (supposedly) member of the community so I doubt Fring used him in that capacity.

To expound on that....Jimmy is shady and has small scams here and there, but I am talking about REALLY bad stuff.  I do not consider what he did to Chuck REALLY bad stuff.  Bad, yes, but not the type of thing I am talking about.

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Traditionally, you don't have to make contact with a person for it be assault. 

I don't believe that Jimmy and gus are involved with each other. Jimmy knows mike. Mike knows gus. Jimmy knows about gus and puts Walter in contact with him, from what I remember. I assume that Jimmy went through mike to contact gus. Although at the time I don't think we know about mike. Mike shows up to clean up jesse's apt after Walter had met with gus, I think. 

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39 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Traditionally, you don't have to make contact with a person for it be assault. 

I don't believe that Jimmy and gus are involved with each other. Jimmy knows mike. Mike knows gus. Jimmy knows about gus and puts Walter in contact with him, from what I remember. I assume that Jimmy went through mike to contact gus. Although at the time I don't think we know about mike. Mike shows up to clean up jesse's apt after Walter had met with gus, I think. 

Correct, after Jane died. And this only happened because Bob Odenkirk was unable to film that day. 

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33 minutes ago, Yoda said:

Correct, after Jane died. And this only happened because Bob Odenkirk was unable to film that day. 

Yeah I read about that.  They really needed Mikes character.  I am glad they did not try to make Jimmy both characters. There is enough depth and enough going on to have them separate.

I would not mind some more flash back type sequences with Mike.  Introduce the son he broke and show the relationship a little.  Originally I was not thrilled to have more Mike because we know his fate, but the back story and specifically the acting with the character has been REALLY good.

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29 minutes ago, Yoda said:

Correct, after Jane died. And this only happened because Bob Odenkirk was unable to film that day. 

Yes, although I don't believe that is canon. 

It's interesting how these things that happen in the production of a show end up changing the story so much. The fact that the character of mike was sort of an accident is fascinating. 

From the way it sounds, the original idea was probably that Saul worked with gus. Maybe a mike type character is introduced later as Gus's henchman, but we may have not ended up with mike also doing things for Saul. 

The whole thing we are seeing where mike and gus meet and we know mike works for him, while mike somehow also continues to be Jimmy's helper, is interesting.

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1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

They really could do another spin off with Mike and show how he goes from being a cop to a criminal fixer/henchman. 

Isn't that what we are seeing now? Doesn't his story start in this series with mike simply living off his pension and working the toll booth, and we are seeing how he is transitioning into being a fixer and henchman?

We know he was on the take and pushed his son to do the same. And we know his son died because of it and he got revenge. But was he out there doing odds jobs for other people or was he just being a cop and taking bribes?

i don't think we need to see much more about mike's background. His current journey is interesting enough, and sometimes you can have too much of something. 

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29 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Isn't that what we are seeing now? Doesn't his story start in this series with mike simply living off his pension and working the toll booth, and we are seeing how he is transitioning into being a fixer and henchman?

We know he was on the take and pushed his son to do the same. And we know his son died because of it and he got revenge. But was he out there doing odds jobs for other people or was he just being a cop and taking bribes?

i don't think we need to see much more about mike's background. His current journey is interesting enough, and sometimes you can have too much of something. 

The back story they provide in Better Call Saul is good for Mike. I'm just saying they could make a show that takes place in Philadelphia revolving around Mike. They would then be able to cast his son as a main character and throw in another character like Chuck. the writers for Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul are so good I think they could make it work. They could also do another show about Gus but that would probably be too much like Breaking Bad. 

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4 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

They really could do another spin off with Mike and show how he goes from being a cop to a criminal fixer/henchman. 

He's gonna be too aged out by then..................Go watch some of the early episodes of Breaking Bad with Bob Odenkirk.  They won't be able to re-use scenes for this show,  the age shows too much.   You'd see a big difference between scenes.  

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30 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

He's gonna be too aged out by then..................Go watch some of the early episodes of Breaking Bad with Bob Odenkirk.  They won't be able to re-use scenes for this show,  the age shows too much.   You'd see a big difference between scenes.  

Odenkirk has shown some significant aging since Breaking Bad, and his character in Better Call Saul definitely looks older than his Breaking Bad equivalent.

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I feel that I look younger than I did when BB first came on the air. And I've become less shady over time.

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4 hours ago, Euphdude said:

Odenkirk has shown some significant aging since Breaking Bad, and his character in Better Call Saul definitely looks older than his Breaking Bad equivalent.

Tarantino had the outline of a script for the Vega Brothers with John Travolta (Vincent) and Michael Madsen (Vic - Mr. Blonde) - which would have to be a prequel since in their respective movies they............well, you know (does 21 years passing get us out of Spoiler Alert territory?).  But he also said that by the time he fully wrote it and shot it that Madsen and Travolta would have aged too much to make it believable as a prequel.     Same thing with Jonathan Banks, even though he was already older.    How lucky we all are that Odenkirk couldn't do that episode.....they could have shot it out of sequence.     I love that Vince Gilligan told Banks (on his first day, in his first scene) to really slap the **** out of Aaron Paul..........Aaron was not expecting it, but Banks gave him credit for not breaking character, even though he whined about it later. 

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I didn't think about how much Mike would age by the time a new show would come out. The writing on both of these shows are so good I just want them to continue. They still could do a spinoff about Jesse. I would imagine he is a wanted fugitive. 

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48 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I didn't think about how much Mike would age by the time a new show would come out. The writing on both of these shows are so good I just want them to continue. They still could do a spinoff about Jesse. I would imagine he is a wanted fugitive. 

Jesse was escaping through the desert when he saw a bunch of debris falling into the desert from outer space, it was the result of a Kessler Syndrome where debris from two colliding objects created a debris field that destroyed everything in it's path.   Jesse notices a large chunk crash into a desert lake in NE Arizona and finds out it was a capsule and there was survivor named Dr. Ryan Stone.  He picks her up and the two of them set off on an adventure together in "Breaking Gravity" on AMC.    

 

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12 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Tarantino had the outline of a script for the Vega Brothers with John Travolta (Vincent) and Michael Madsen (Vic - Mr. Blonde) - which would have to be a prequel since in their respective movies they............well, you know (does 21 years passing get us out of Spoiler Alert territory?).  But he also said that by the time he fully wrote it and shot it that Madsen and Travolta would have aged too much to make it believable as a prequel.     Same thing with Jonathan Banks, even though he was already older.    How lucky we all are that Odenkirk couldn't do that episode.....they could have shot it out of sequence.     I love that Vince Gilligan told Banks (on his first day, in his first scene) to really slap the **** out of Aaron Paul..........Aaron was not expecting it, but Banks gave him credit for not breaking character, even though he whined about it later. 

Rewrite it for a little earlier and recast that bad boy.

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So it's a show about a Philadelphia beat cop in the 90s named mike who has no connection whatsoever to the world created in the previous two shows. I don't think that's going work, but you never know. 

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6 hours ago, John_Brian_K said:

Rewrite it for a little earlier and recast that bad boy.

Nah,  I want those two actors in those parts.   Do I need to remind you "When Harry Met Lloyd?"  

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