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3 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Or there is just a bunch of electric sounding noises on it and Chuck has a freakout.

Something like that or simply cut out the parts that implicate Jimmy.  Jimmy did say something like "does that make you feel better Chuck?" use that with a couple other parts or something.  The board has a lower threshold for introducing evidence.  I think that will play into the hearing.

I have heard some people say this could lead to Chucks disbarment, I doubt that highly.  Crazy train or not, he is a pillar in the legal community.

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6 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

If I had a valuable tape I'd make a few copies and put them into a few places, such as my lawyer's office and onto the cloud. But again, TV.

I'm guessing Chuck doesn't do a lot of cloud backups. Though I would assume Howard would be hip enough to do that for him. 

edit: I'm surprised Howard has been in every episode so far. I wouldn't have guessed that. 

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3 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Did the cloud exist in the timeframe of the show?  I am guessing this takes place 10+ years ago.

True enough. Didn't they say Season 1 took place 6 years before the events of BB?

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Right, makes sense, they still use flip phones on the show. But while the cloud wouldn't have existed, the point is there were plenty of ways to protect a valuable than just keeping the one and only copy on-site.

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There are plenty of ways to illuminate a home, but he is using a Coleman lantern.

I don't think it strains credulity to suppose Chuck is as analogue as possible in the hypothetical.

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If the time frame is correct, digital editing is possible. I'm sure the law practice has access to a local radio station or recording studio for that purpose.

I didn't look at the cassette recorder that closely, but it looked like a mid range radio shack recorder, or something similar to what reporters would have used in the field. Heck even the big all news stations in NY and Chicago were using inexpensive hand held Sonys at the time.

The recording quality was ok but it was t digital. Garbage in....garbage out.

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Perhaps they simply erase the tape. If no one else heard it, Jimmy can say whatever he wants to about what is on it and why he destroyed the copy. 

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I know I am badly behind the times, but I wouldn't think to send a recording to the cloud or even how to do that.

That written, I could find someone to quickly do it if the thought occurred to me.

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36 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Perhaps they simply erase the tape. If no one else heard it, Jimmy can say whatever he wants to about what is on it and why he destroyed the copy. 

We know for a fact Howard heard it. I'm guessing the PI listened to it as well and they are witnesses to Jimmy destroying it. Ernesto also heard part of it. They could manipulate him to testify against Jimmy. 

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I don't think they're doing anything with the tape. I think finding out about the duplicate tape plays into the idea that Chuck manipulated Jimmy into breaking into the house and destroying it. He's not facing the bar for anything actually on the tape. It's the B&E and assault.

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3 hours ago, lordstanley said:

Right, makes sense, they still use flip phones on the show. But while the cloud wouldn't have existed, the point is there were plenty of ways to protect a valuable than just keeping the one and only copy on-site.

True, but for a guy in crazy town like Chuck it would be difficult.  Not impossible.  All he had to do was give it to Hamlin to keep at the office or something.  I would bet Chuck figured after he caught Jimmy that Jimmy would just give up.

I know Chuck is legally in the right and maybe even morally somewhere in there, but I cannot help buy focus on the brotherhood angle.  I think Chuck blamed Jimmy for the dads death.  The dad was a good, honest man.  We see Jimmy learning real quick how honest people get taken advantage of and decided to live his life a different way.

What we never REALLY see is Chuck encouraging Jimmy in any way.  Jimmy tries to go on the straight an narrow path...and maybe he just used Chuck as an excuse to get out of that life because there is no other real good reason he should have left Davis and Mane.  That was a cushy job with all the benefits, but again I think Jimmy was looking more for approval than prestige.  Wanting to do it on his own.

Chuck REALLY hates Jimmy.  It appears like he could never accept him as he was and could never let go of the fact that he blames Jimmy for the dad dying.  Not being there at the end etc.

There is a VERY easy way to try and support your brother, but not encourage the bad stuff, even if he is doing both which Jimmy is.  Chuck is going out of his way to make life hard for Jimmy.

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And Kim knows about Chuck sabotaging any chances Howard might have given Jimmy. Howard will be under oath.

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8 minutes ago, VegasTiger said:

I don't think they're doing anything with the tape. I think finding out about the duplicate tape plays into the idea that Chuck manipulated Jimmy into breaking into the house and destroying it. He's not facing the bar for anything actually on the tape. It's the B&E and assault.

IIRC it is the assault charge that is the tricky one.  How do you get past that charge?  Chuck is not going to corroborate that Jimmy did not assault him because he knows that is the ONLY charge that COULD get him disbarred.  There is definitely some manipulating going on.  I cannot wrap my head around what Jimmy is doing.  Kim will only go so far and I do not think she is going to help Jimmy completely skirt the rules but to work within them.

Maybe there is some rule/law about what Chuck did to bait his brother and the copy is proof of that or something?  No idea, but Chuck is pretty smart about the law so I would be surprised if it is something like that.  I would imagine he would have all his t's crossed.

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14 minutes ago, John_Brian_K said:

True, but for a guy in crazy town like Chuck it would be difficult.  Not impossible.  All he had to do was give it to Hamlin to keep at the office or something.  I would bet Chuck figured after he caught Jimmy that Jimmy would just give up.

I know Chuck is legally in the right and maybe even morally somewhere in there, but I cannot help buy focus on the brotherhood angle.  I think Chuck blamed Jimmy for the dads death.  The dad was a good, honest man.  We see Jimmy learning real quick how honest people get taken advantage of and decided to live his life a different way.

What we never REALLY see is Chuck encouraging Jimmy in any way.  Jimmy tries to go on the straight an narrow path...and maybe he just used Chuck as an excuse to get out of that life because there is no other real good reason he should have left Davis and Mane.  That was a cushy job with all the benefits, but again I think Jimmy was looking more for approval than prestige.  Wanting to do it on his own.

Chuck REALLY hates Jimmy.  It appears like he could never accept him as he was and could never let go of the fact that he blames Jimmy for the dad dying.  Not being there at the end etc.

There is a VERY easy way to try and support your brother, but not encourage the bad stuff, even if he is doing both which Jimmy is.  Chuck is going out of his way to make life hard for Jimmy.

I don't see it this way at all. I think Chuck cares for Jimmy, and has shown it several times. He simply doesn't respect him as a lawyer and doesn't want him to be one. Everything Chuck does and says in a negative way towards Jimmy is specifically lawyer-related. Nothing personal whatsoever. 

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5 minutes ago, Yoda said:

I don't see it this way at all. I think Chuck cares for Jimmy, and has shown it several times. He simply doesn't respect him as a lawyer and doesn't want him to be one. Everything Chuck does and says in a negative way towards Jimmy is specifically lawyer-related. Nothing personal whatsoever. 

Maybe, but Chuck is an educated man.  Does he REALLY think that Jimmy, after 40+ years of being 'slipping Jimmy', is suddenly going to learn the errors of his ways.  Chuck got the police involved to try and change him.  He should just accept what he is and move on.  He is a little too sanctimonious about the law.  If Jimmy 'slips' up and screws a few people over he will get caught and do his time without the help of his brother.  Just like he has in the past.  You do not have to condone it, but you do not need to be his keeper either.  The dude is a grown man he is not some little kid.

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6 minutes ago, John_Brian_K said:

Maybe, but Chuck is an educated man.  Does he REALLY think that Jimmy, after 40+ years of being 'slipping Jimmy', is suddenly going to learn the errors of his ways.  Chuck got the police involved to try and change him.  He should just accept what he is and move on.  He is a little too sanctimonious about the law.  If Jimmy 'slips' up and screws a few people over he will get caught and do his time without the help of his brother.  Just like he has in the past.  You do not have to condone it, but you do not need to be his keeper either.  The dude is a grown man he is not some little kid.

Fair point, but plenty of shady lawyers have made a living from it and he doesn't want that for his brother. It's not wise for him to constantly meddle but I can see why he does it. 

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I think a big part of it is Chuck simply cannot see Jimmy as a equal in any way, and Jimmy being a lawyer makes them equals in terms of their profession.

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I think chuck dislikes Jimmy, but got him the mailroom job because he felt bad for him. I think chuck doesn't respect him, and I think chuck felt like Jimmy becoming a lawyer was going to make him look bad. 

I think at first chuck was being selfish and self preserving when he went after the mesa verde account. 

Now that Jimmy set him up, he is simply put for revenge. 

I don't so much see chuck thinking that Jimmy is an equal, or not wanting Jimmy to have independent success. I think chuck began by trying to look out for himself. 

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Didn't he point blank tell Jimmy in one episode that he specifically doesn't want him to be a lawyer? I'm not sure that Chuck is concerned with self-preservation as much as he just doesn't think Jimmy deserves the profession.

But at this point it's definitely gotten personal. They're probably beyond the point of reconciling. It's getting ugly and about to get even uglier. Chuck may end up disbarred himself, if not dead or in an institution. It won't be good either way. Not yet but probably by next season at some point.

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7 minutes ago, Yoda said:

Didn't he point blank tell Jimmy in one episode that he specifically doesn't want him to be a lawyer? I'm not sure that Chuck is concerned with self-preservation as much as he just doesn't think Jimmy deserves the profession.

But at this point it's definitely gotten personal. They're probably beyond the point of reconciling. It's getting ugly and about to get even uglier. Chuck may end up disbarred himself, if not dead or in an institution. It won't be good either way. Not yet but probably by next season at some point.

If he said that, I think it's more about him not wanting another guy named McGill being a lawyer in abq and making him look bad. 

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2 hours ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

I think a big part of it is Chuck simply cannot see Jimmy as a equal in any way, and Jimmy being a lawyer makes them equals in terms of their profession.

Mommy and Daddy loved Jimmy more.........that's what this is about. 

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