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Just now, Deleterious said:

Not to take anything away from those numbers.

But Wilt played 48 MPG at a 131 pace.  Jordan scored 37 PPG in 87 only playing 40 MPG at a 97 pace.  

Give Jordan another 8 MPG and his team another 30+ possessions in that game, and he scores 50 or at least gets close.

For me, a guy who plays 48 minutes--and puts up those kind of numbers--the value of that season is just added to.

 

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1 minute ago, mickeyb105 said:

For me, a guy who plays 48 minutes--and puts up those kind of numbers--the value of that season is just added to.

 

I think a guy like Jordan could have done 48.  But Phillip, or any coach, would get killed in the press for doing it.  

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Just now, Deleterious said:

I think a guy like Jordan could have done 48.  But Phillip, or any coach, would get killed in the press for doing it.  

I didn't say he could have--but he didn't.  Being replaced by Hopson or whoever represented a marked dip in talent and production.  By not having to be replaced, Wilt made himself more valuable--with no need for projection.  It just seems like that is a pretty big trump card.

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5 minutes ago, mickeyb105 said:

I didn't say he could have--but he didn't.  Being replaced by Hopson or whoever represented a marked dip in talent and production.  By not having to be replaced, Wilt made himself more valuable--with no need for projection.  It just seems like that is a pretty big trump card.

Yeah, I don't like that rigidity.  

You have to be able to adjust things when comparing across different era's.  I'm not giving Wilt credit for doing something nobody would ever be allowed to do in today's game.  

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10 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Yeah, I don't like that rigidity.  

You have to be able to adjust things when comparing across different era's.  I'm not giving Wilt credit for doing something nobody would ever be allowed to do in today's game.  

Kinda like the old argument against Lester Hayes having the 18 INT in 20 games in 1980.  I get it, stickum was unfair.

I really feel it has become commonplace to diminish Wilt's career, as well as his 50/25 season, amongst basketball fans and pundits.  A shame, IMO, that a player--a big, none the less--can be penalized for playing all game every game and putting up that kind of line.  I understand some of why people level the playing field now, but also feel that he gets pretty shortchanged.

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On 4/2/2017 at 0:06 PM, mickeyb105 said:

It's pretty difficult to put anyone's season over any of Wilt's three or four best seasons, really.  A 50.4/25.7 season with about six or seven BLK per game (which wasn't tracked, but there is video footage that suggests that he and Russell would have set untouchable block records back then) is as untouchable of a line as there has ever been in sports and IMO the best ever.

That's kind of where I'm at, and I don't think you can explain it away with era or competition. Wilt's dominance was just jaw dropping. 

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On 4/2/2017 at 0:44 PM, mickeyb105 said:

Kinda like the old argument against Lester Hayes having the 18 INT in 20 games in 1980.  I get it, stickum was unfair.

I really feel it has become commonplace to diminish Wilt's career, as well as his 50/25 season, amongst basketball fans and pundits.  A shame, IMO, that a player--a big, none the less--can be penalized for playing all game every game and putting up that kind of line.  I understand some of why people level the playing field now, but also feel that he gets pretty shortchanged.

He obviously wouldn't average 50 and 25 today, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't put up an efficient 35 and 15 with 4 blocks or something. That guy wins MVP this year. 

 

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8 hours ago, Nastradamus said:

He obviously wouldn't average 50 and 25 today, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't put up an efficient 35 and 15 with 4 blocks or something. That guy wins MVP this year. 

 

Wilt was also a lousy free throw shooter - at least most of the time. Seemed like with Wilt it was more a matter of him being able to make them when he wanted to. I'm too lazy to look it up but I'm going to guess his career overlapped with "3 to make 2" which would have made it somewhat less a factor. In his 100 pt game he hit a ton of FTs at a high %.

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11 hours ago, Nastradamus said:

That's kind of where I'm at, and I don't think you can explain it away with era or competition. Wilt's dominance was just jaw dropping. 

I wouldn't begin to attempt to explain it away, but it seems highly likely to me that the competition in that era was not that great, and it seems equally as likely to have had an effect of inflating his stats some.

That written, that was an insanely dominant season from an insanely dominant player, and I have no reason to believe he wouldn't have been an all time great in any era.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

I wouldn't begin to attempt to explain it away, but it seems highly likely to me that the competition in that era was not that great, and it seems equally as likely to have had an effect of inflating his stats some.

That written, that was an insanely dominant season from an insanely dominant player, and I have no reason to believe he wouldn't have been an all time great in any era.

My thoughts exactly

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1 hour ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

The Knicks had 3 players score >30 points that game and lost by 22.

Wilt shot 28 for 32 from the stripe that game.

Somewhere some time ago in a thread here  - when the subject of Wilt's 100 pt game came up, I ran the probability of him hitting 28/32 based on the binomial distribution with the individual event probability set to his career FT%, and it's something just crazy like one in a billion. Unless you are a believer in long odds, that  argues that his lifetime FT% was less than the best indicator of what he could do - when he cared to. I'm guessing FTs bored him.

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One of the things about Wilt and Russell that always impressed me is that they had some monster games against one another. 

For example, Wilt's 55 rebound game (a mark nobody has come within 20 rebounds of, to my knowledge) came against Russell in 60-61--one of Russell's MVP years.

 

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