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Rumor has it the Marlins are trying to trade Marcel Ozuna. I'd be all over that if we could trade someone not expected to contribute next year. One of Fulmer/Boyd/another prospect. Although I kind of like Fulmer.

I would rather sign Austin Jackson to a cheap deal and keep our prospects. Actually, what I would like to do is trade Kinsler for more pitching help and sign Asdrubal Cabrera to a value contract. Kinsler is not overpaid and I like having him on the team but I think he could bring more back in a trade than he is likely to be worth next year and Cabrera is a decent replacement who could be had cheap.

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They don't need to do much at all with Norris' innings. He logged 150 last year across two levels. A typical increase would put him at 175-180, and they could stretch beyond that if they want.

Yeah, I guess that's 30 starts @ 6 IP or 35 @ 5 IP. I hadn't thought about it that way, and maybe a bit too concerned about him blowing his arm out.

With acquiring Zimmermann and having Verlander and Sanchez in tow, Norris shouldn't be needed to carry much of an innings load on an every outing basis.

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The way I see it they have payroll room for maybe two more guys. I expect one to be a reliever. That means the final spot wpuld probably be a starter, another reliever or an outfielder. I would bet it is a start because:

A: Since day one of the offseason AA has said he wants to sign two pitchers to help the rotation

B: The org has publicly stated they are likely set in the outfield, blah

C: So far, what AA has said publicly has mostly been true. I have no reason not to believe his prior remarks

So, that leaves them with a reliever and a starter left to sign. Probably nothing too splashy.

It also leaves us with a less than appealing outfield but at least they'll play D.

I suppose trades can be used to plug any remaining holes but they'll likely not be able to take on much salary in those deals.

Watch the outfield trade market at the deadline

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We have a lot of possible #5 guys this year, with Greene/Fulmer/Boyd, as well as Farmer/Lobstein/Ryan (which I doubt will ever cut it as a SP at this point, but Farmer, at least, could potentially break out.

Nevertheless, I'd rather just sign one more pitcher and have these guys in AAA forcing the issue. If one of the above is lights-out in AAA, we can always trade another starter in the inevitable deadline deal for a RP, or just move someone to the bullpen.

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We have a lot of possible #5 guys this year, with Greene/Fulmer/Boyd, as well as Farmer/Lobstein/Ryan (which I doubt will ever cut it as a SP at this point, but Farmer, at least, could potentially break out.

Nevertheless, I'd rather just sign one more pitcher and have these guys in AAA forcing the issue. If one of the above is lights-out in AAA, we can always trade another starter in the inevitable deadline deal for a RP, or just move someone to the bullpen.

You bring up a good point. It seems like every year at the deadline, teams are talking about trading for relievers they could have signed a year or two earlier. Let's just get that guy now.

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You bring up a good point. It seems like every year at the deadline, teams are talking about trading for relievers they could have signed a year or two earlier. Let's just get that guy now.

YES! This happens every single season. Ilitch is once again spending big $ on FA, and while I am happy to have Zimmerman and like the deal, if Avila does not bring on a couple more relievers, a back-end innings eater and a bat to join the LF mix, we will surely be giving up some of our few prized prospects to fill those gaps at the trade deadline. That is, is we are still solidly in the mix for what should be a very competitive AL Central and Wildcard next year.

RP is the most important and I am also happy to hear that it sounds like Avila is still actively seeking some...

@jcrasnick 58m58 minutes ago

#MLB teams that are actively seeking relief pitching: ARI, ATL, BOS, DET, HOU, KC, LAD, NYM, OAK, PIT, TOR and WASH.

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YES! This happens every single season. Ilitch is once again spending big $ on FA, and while I am happy to have Zimmerman and like the deal, if Avila does not bring on a couple more relievers, a back-end innings eater and a bat to join the LF mix, we will surely be giving up some of our few prized prospects to fill those gaps at the trade deadline. That is, is we are still solidly in the mix for what should be a very competitive AL Central and Wildcard next year.

RP is the most important and I am also happy to hear that it sounds like Avila is still actively seeking some...

@jcrasnick 58m58 minutes ago

#MLB teams that are actively seeking relief pitching: ARI, ATL, BOS, DET, HOU, KC, LAD, NYM, OAK, PIT, TOR and WASH.

I think they'll be fairly aggressive and sign a solid 2nd tier RP. Someone around $4M-$5M. Then a #5 SP project like Fister or Simon late in the off-season, after the market has run it's course. That'd be around $5M-$6M, and I expect that those 2 will be 99% of their spending. They'll work the margins for a LF, other RPs, and 2nd/3rd string catcher.

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I think they'll be fairly aggressive and sign a solid 2nd tier RP. Someone around $4M-$5M. Then a #5 SP project like Fister or Simon late in the off-season, after the market has run it's course. That'd be around $5M-$6M, and I expect that those 2 will be 99% of their spending. They'll work the margins for a LF, other RPs, and 2nd/3rd string catcher.

I strongly prefer Fister to Simon just based on the pace with which he pitches.

I suspect your right. I hope we can do more with the bullpen but I am also realistic. I don't think it is possible to overstock our pitching staff come spring training. We need to create as many options as possible.

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Chris Young has been playing for peanuts the last few seasons. His FIP has been a bit higher than his ERA, but still probably reasonable enough for a 5th starter or relief pitcher. He did both for the Royals last season for under $1M. He's 36 already. Hard to know for sure, but he could be a really nice budget piece to the rotation or as a multiple inning reliever.

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Chris Young has been playing for peanuts the last few seasons. His FIP has been a bit higher than his ERA, but still probably reasonable enough for a 5th starter or relief pitcher. He did both for the Royals last season for under $1M. He's 36 already. Hard to know for sure, but he could be a really nice budget piece to the rotation or as a multiple inning reliever.

I think this is a key to picking up a 5th starter... someone that can be effective in the BP if/when pushed there by Greene or Fulmer or someone else...

On that basis: Simon was occasionally effective as a 5th starter last year, but was also very effective in the BP for three years prior to the Tigers. So... I'm not certain I would wanna go with Fister as much as take a cheap flyer on Young or Simon. And Young might be the best bet here...

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I think this is a key to picking up a 5th starter... someone that can be effective in the BP if/when pushed there by Greene or Fulmer or someone else...

On that basis: Simon was occasionally effective as a 5th starter last year, but was also very effective in the BP for three years prior to the Tigers. So... I'm not certain I would wanna go with Fister as much as take a cheap flyer on Young or Simon. And Young might be the best bet here...

Frankly, I don't understand any desire to bring Simon back. I think the Tigers can do better for a 5th SP type.

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We are one SP short as of right now. IMHO the health of Anibal Sanchez is a question mark, and durability is more than just a passing distraction with him. I think one more solid, but non Price pitcher will do nicely.

How much should the health of Sanchez factor into the kind of additional pitcher we require? I feel that Morrow isn't the right choice.

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Good gravy yes......It's pretty crazy to me to see anybody pining for this guy...hey, where is Brad Penny?

I have to assume that it is a bias for the devil you know over the devil you don't. But Simon was wildly inconsistent last season. I'd love to reverse that trade and get Suarez back into the fold, even if only as infield insurance at Toledo.

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I have to assume that it is a bias for the devil you know over the devil you don't. But Simon was wildly inconsistent last season. I'd love to reverse that trade and get Suarez back into the fold, even if only as infield insurance at Toledo.

I don't care if it's Simon or not, but he's a guy that will throw 180+ IP and won't cost more than $5M/$6M, and that's what we need. Young, Fister, Edwin Jackson, etc. is what it's going to be, barring an unexpected budget increase.

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Frankly, I don't understand any desire to bring Simon back. I think the Tigers can do better for a 5th SP type.

This is primarily a function of having limited funds. If we had another $40-50M left to sign a LF'er, starter, and reliever, I certainly wouldn't be considering Simon. I'd be asking for Heyward, Kazmir, and a trade for Andrew Miller.

But given limited funds, I'm going purely functional: need a reliever, Bastardo. And I think our next reliever spot gets filled prior to 5th starter.

Need a dirt cheap 5th starter who can eat innings, who can be pushed into the BP when necessary: Simon.

Who is better that we can get for $3M or less? Chris Young? Who else? Any other options?

I would choose Young over Simon. But if we don't get Young, then After Young, and Simon... I'm not certain who else is a dirt-cheap option which, I think is what it will come down to.

This is bottom-of-the-barrel fishing...

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