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Why put either of Gose or Maybin at the top of the lineup? They don't get on base. I'd rather see Kinsler followed by Iglesias in front of Cabrera.

Be cause the fast black guy that plays center has to lead off according to the old school book of unwritten rules.

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My 2 bits' worth:

RH Starter:

CF Gose

SS Iglesias

2B Kinsler

1B Migs

RF Martinez

DH Victor

3B Castellanos

C McCann

LF Maybin

LH Starter:

CF Maybin

SS Iglesias

2B Kinsler

1B Migs

RF Martinez

DH Victor

3B Castellanos

C McCann

LF Aviles

Bench: Salty, Collins, Aviles, Romine

SP: Verlander, Zimmerman, Sanchez, Norris, Pelfrey

RP: K-Rod, Lowe, J. Wilson, A. Wilson, Hardy, Greene, somebody

Looks like we're done for this off season.

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Gose and Iglesias have about the same career OBP versus RHP and Gose is a better base runner so it makes sense for him to lead off versus RHP. Iglesias could be moved up when there is a southpaw.

I thought I saw Iglesias as marginally better, but I may have mislooked at it. Plus marginally might be subjective, too.

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Gose had the 4th best OBP vs. RHP last year of guys who are on the team, behind only Miggy, Ian, and JD.

I'm not sure where else you'd bat him.

I guess I don't know what I was looking at before. Could've swore his OBP wasn't even .300.

What can I say? I'm an idiot.

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Given that it seems we are 95% complete with our roster this winter, pending Illitch deciding to step up for any marquee free agent that falls in our laps, probably about time to rate the offseason. Besides, if we do get another free agent, it won't really be Avila's doing and probably more of Illitch.

I'd give the off season a C- or D+. There's been a couple of nice roster moves, offset by a couple of over-pays, and a few terrible moves.

Zimermann = C. I'm just not a big fan. Perhaps a solid 2/3 for a few years. Compared to Smardijza, we overpaid, for a similar pitcher. And the remaining options are likely to be even cheaper. Frankly, we'd have been better off with Cueto for not that much more money, and the hope that he would opt out in two years. In the deepest free agent SP market of my life time, we jumped out ahead of the pack and overpaid. I'm not surprised, but this wasn't a great move.

Lowe = C. Gross overpay for a guy who has had one good season, ever. And he was extremely ordinary for the Jays down the stretch. Understand that the RP market has been fairly hot, but someone with a more consistent track record would have been preferable with this type of commitment. Hard to get excited over this.

Pelfrey = C. I like this move more than most, but two years wasn't necessary for this type of arm. And 5th SP wasn't as big of a need as other more critical areas, so one has to question why we committed this sort of payroll to him, and then not address LF (apparently).

F-Rod = B. I do like this move, though have to question why we didn't trade for him or sign for him multiple times in the past when he was up for grabs for the same peanuts that we got him for this winter. But another regime, I guess. All in all solid, but by no means a shut down reliever. And he's no longer young, so we do have to be concerned about age-related decline.

Justin Wilson = B-. I don't think he is the great reliever that others apparently believe he is, but he's bullpen worthy, and that's generally a good trade. Although the arms we gave up could have easily been bullpen worthy this year as well. But I'll take the guy with the track record here as a good but not great move. I'm not sure he's a set-up guy though.

Saltalamacchia = A. You can't go wrong with a guy who has a track record of hitting at the MLB level, despite the defensive challenges, for major league minimum salary. This was a great deal. But probably more of a factor that we have a rookie catcher with questionable ability to hit RHP, and he probably foresees some playing time here - more than with other organizations. And he's probably right about that. So I'd probably ring this up as more of a lucky break than anything done by Avila.

Maybin = D. He's not worthy of a starting job, and his splits don't work well with any platoon. That makes him a virtual waste of a roster spot. He's good enough to serve as some depth, in a situation where you have three primary OF's. But we needed a full-time LF (or CF if you want Gose in LF). And we didn't get it. To boot, he's oft-injured. So I'm not even sure that we can count on him to be sucking it up in LF or CF. We would have been better off waiting out the Rajai market. At least he has some splits you can take advantage of, especially since the organization seems willing to be so committed to Collins for no apparent reason.

Aviles = F. A real head scratcher. Not worth a major league contract. And overpaid as well. Lots of guys can play all over the field, and do it poorly. And he no longer has a bat to overlook the poor defense. Would have been better off with Machado. Or with re-signing Donnie Kelly... to a minor league deal, which is all these guys are worth.

Loss of Lobstein = F. Another head scratcher. I'm under no illusions about Lobstein, but he provided serviceable depth at near league minimum salary, and there's no reason to toss this type of guy in the garbage bin --- not for someone like Aviles. Maybe he has an undisclosed injury or something, but if not, it would have been easy to find 3-4 other guys on the 40-man who should have gone first before Lobstein.

It's hard to envision competing for the division title with this roster as is, unless a number of things come together just right. That's disappointing.

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Given that it seems we are 95% complete with our roster this winter, pending Illitch deciding to step up for any marquee free agent that falls in our laps, probably about time to rate the offseason. Besides, if we do get another free agent, it won't really be Avila's doing and probably more of Illitch.

I'd give the off season a C- or D+. There's been a couple of nice roster moves, offset by a couple of over-pays, and a few terrible moves.

Zimermann = C. I'm just not a big fan. Perhaps a solid 2/3 for a few years. Compared to Smardijza, we overpaid, for a similar pitcher. And the remaining options are likely to be even cheaper. Frankly, we'd have been better off with Cueto for not that much more money, and the hope that he would opt out in two years. In the deepest free agent SP market of my life time, we jumped out ahead of the pack and overpaid. I'm not surprised, but this wasn't a great move.

Lowe = C. Gross overpay for a guy who has had one good season, ever. And he was extremely ordinary for the Jays down the stretch. Understand that the RP market has been fairly hot, but someone with a more consistent track record would have been preferable with this type of commitment. Hard to get excited over this.

Pelfrey = C. I like this move more than most, but two years wasn't necessary for this type of arm. And 5th SP wasn't as big of a need as other more critical areas, so one has to question why we committed this sort of payroll to him, and then not address LF (apparently).

F-Rod = B. I do like this move, though have to question why we didn't trade for him or sign for him multiple times in the past when he was up for grabs for the same peanuts that we got him for this winter. But another regime, I guess. All in all solid, but by no means a shut down reliever. And he's no longer young, so we do have to be concerned about age-related decline.

Justin Wilson = B-. I don't think he is the great reliever that others apparently believe he is, but he's bullpen worthy, and that's generally a good trade. Although the arms we gave up could have easily been bullpen worthy this year as well. But I'll take the guy with the track record here as a good but not great move. I'm not sure he's a set-up guy though.

Saltalamacchia = A. You can't go wrong with a guy who has a track record of hitting at the MLB level, despite the defensive challenges, for major league minimum salary. This was a great deal. But probably more of a factor that we have a rookie catcher with questionable ability to hit RHP, and he probably foresees some playing time here - more than with other organizations. And he's probably right about that. So I'd probably ring this up as more of a lucky break than anything done by Avila.

Maybin = D. He's not worthy of a starting job, and his splits don't work well with any platoon. That makes him a virtual waste of a roster spot. He's good enough to serve as some depth, in a situation where you have three primary OF's. But we needed a full-time LF (or CF if you want Gose in LF). And we didn't get it. To boot, he's oft-injured. So I'm not even sure that we can count on him to be sucking it up in LF or CF. We would have been better off waiting out the Rajai market. At least he has some splits you can take advantage of, especially since the organization seems willing to be so committed to Collins for no apparent reason.

Aviles = F. A real head scratcher. Not worth a major league contract. And overpaid as well. Lots of guys can play all over the field, and do it poorly. And he no longer has a bat to overlook the poor defense. Would have been better off with Machado. Or with re-signing Donnie Kelly... to a minor league deal, which is all these guys are worth.

Loss of Lobstein = F. Another head scratcher. I'm under no illusions about Lobstein, but he provided serviceable depth at near league minimum salary, and there's no reason to toss this type of guy in the garbage bin --- not for someone like Aviles. Maybe he has an undisclosed injury or something, but if not, it would have been easy to find 3-4 other guys on the 40-man who should have gone first before Lobstein.

It's hard to envision competing for the division title with this roster as is, unless a number of things come together just right. That's disappointing.

Boy there is pessimistic and then there is this post.

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C-/D+ from ballmich is like a B+ from anyone else. Although based on what you wrote it should be a C+/C; Aviles and Lobstein moves should be low weight.

I'll disagree strongly only with the Lowe analysis. I think it's one thing if a reliever seem to get lucky results for a year, it's another thing if he shows a huge improvement in stuff/command and gets results. Compared to Cischek/Kelley/Madson signings I think we go the best contract of the lot.

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C-/D+ from ballmich is like a B+ from anyone else. Although based on what you wrote it should be a C+/C; Aviles and Lobstein moves should be low weight.

I have Maybin at a fairly high weight, as it's apparent he will be virtually a full-time guy either in CF or LF or between them. That's enough to offset two relievers and a back-up catcher. Then Avila/Lobstein takes it below C to something like a C-/D+.

I figured someone was going to argue this with me. Should have figured Drizzle.

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I have Maybin at a fairly high weight, as it's apparent he will be virtually a full-time guy either in CF or LF or between them. That's enough to offset two relievers and a back-up catcher. Then Avila/Lobstein takes it below C to something like a C-/D+.

I figured someone was going to argue this with me. Should have figured Drizzle.

The most negative vs. the most positive, we are bound to clash.

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