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I'm with you on the tax. I wasn't in the past but that was when they were putting it together with superstars and terrible bullpens.

They could go past the threshold. It isn't like winning a World Series would hurt their bottom line. The marginal difference of adding an Alex Gordon to this roster would be to create an elite OF where once it was...pretty good in RF (JD), good in CF (Gose) and to add a solid MLB hitter who hits left handed in a very heavy right handed lineup.

Who does Boras represent who is on the market who happens to be a LHH Left fielder? (Denard Span)

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Also his eyes are brown. Probably lazy-ish. Definitely not a hustler and I don't see grit at all.

Brown eyed guys are lazy? I thought those were the blue eyed?

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If they can get Span on a 1 year prove it deal that would be fine.

His career OBP splits are pretty even at .353 vs RHPs and .351 vs LHPs. Start digging into the years, and it seems that his OBP vs LHPs has been inconsistent a bit.

His career SLG splits are not as equal, but that ain't his calling card, either.

If they were to get acquire him, I think they should still look for a RHH OF. Run platoons LF/CF platoons of Span/RHH OF and Gose/Maybin out there.

The rule 5 is due up shortly, isn't it? Any chance at getting the RHH utility guy that they are looking for? Is Jeff Kobernus ready for the bigs now?

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So the bullpen locks look to be:

Rodriguez, closer

JWilson, set up (not lefty specialist)

Lowe, set up

AWilson, middle/multi innings

Hardy, middle/multi innings

Two spots to fill. Likely in house options include Boyd, Lobstein, and Ryan from the left side, and VerHagen, Greene, and Farmer from the right. Others could creep in, like Nesbitt or Ferrell, but those are unlikely to project right now.

I think I'd like to see Lobstein and Greene penciled in for Toledo's starting rotation right now.

I'm interested to see how Boyd is handled. I wonder whether or not he's destined for the bullpen at some point. Maybe he makes it as a long arm out of camp? Does he have options left? I assume he does, but don't see where that information is available, and I'm not well versed on the options rules.

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So the bullpen locks look to be:

Rodriguez, closer

JWilson, set up (not lefty specialist)

Lowe, set up

AWilson, middle/multi innings

Hardy, middle/multi innings

Two spots to fill. Likely in house options include Boyd, Lobstein, and Ryan from the left side, and VerHagen, Greene, and Farmer from the right. Others could creep in, like Nesbitt or Ferrell, but those are unlikely to project right now.

I think I'd like to see Lobstein and Greene penciled in for Toledo's starting rotation right now.

I'm interested to see how Boyd is handled. I wonder whether or not he's destined for the bullpen at some point. Maybe he makes it as a long arm out of camp? Does he have options left? I assume he does, but don't see where that information is available, and I'm not well versed on the options rules.

I think VerHagen gets one of the two spots unless he's hurt or is a disaster in the spring. The last spot could be anyone, but you know they need to project who they'd want as a 6th or 7th starter - my guess would be Shane Greene and Michael Fulmer - which means that last bullpen spot could be anyone else on the roster - I would lean towards Matt Boyd or Kyle Lobstein.

As far as LF goes - I know we'd love them to go top shelf right now, but they have to consider what it will cost to extend J.D. Martinez - and because of that, I think we'll probably see them stand pat or go for one of those second-teir guys. Of those guys, I think I'd like to see Dexter Fowler. He's the true leadoff guy they haven't had in years and could enhance the entire top half of the lineup. Just use Maybin in the Rajai Davis role.

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I think VerHagen gets one of the two spots unless he's hurt or is a disaster in the spring. The last spot could be anyone, but you know they need to project who they'd want as a 6th or 7th starter - my guess would be Shane Greene and Michael Fulmer - which means that last bullpen spot could be anyone else on the roster - I would lean towards Matt Boyd or Kyle Lobstein.

I doubt Fulmer is even a consideration for Detroit in any capacity for Opening Day. He'll be honing his craft as a SP in Toledo.

As far as LF goes - I know we'd love them to go top shelf right now, but they have to consider what it will cost to extend J.D. Martinez - and because of that, I think we'll probably see them stand pat or go for one of those second-teir guys. Of those guys, I think I'd like to see Dexter Fowler. He's the true leadoff guy they haven't had in years and could enhance the entire top half of the lineup. Just use Maybin in the Rajai Davis role.

I think they can wait and see how the OF market develops. It'd be nice to find an everyday OF for the top of the lineup. The bottom of the lineup is still questionable to me, but every team has holes, so I guess it isn't too big of a deal at this point.

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Ian Desmond is marketing himself as an OF as well as SS. I doubt he would sign to be a utility player though but sounds like he is getting desperate.

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Ian Desmond is marketing himself as an OF as well as SS. I doubt he would sign to be a utility player though but sounds like he is getting desperate.

Ha! I was just going to post this.

Teams Considering Ian Desmond As An Outfielder - MLB Trade Rumors

It would be an out of the box move, but if the guy is willing to give it a go, what the heck. I suppose if other teams are in on the idea, he might be too expensive in terms of dollars and years, though.

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He's average over 600 PA. I don't think the Tigers can promise him that much playing time.

Between being the regular RHH LF option (minimum) and floating around to other positions to rest regulars, he probably wouldn't get 600 PAs. 500 PAs might not be out of the question. Its probably no more than a remote possibility, but I think its an interesting idea.

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So if this is the end of the deals, what grade would you give Big Al for this offseason? I'd say a solid B. Add a LF and that jumps up to an A.

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So if this is the end of the deals, what grade would you give Big Al for this offseason? I'd say a solid B. Add a LF and that jumps up to an A.

Depends on the budget he is given. If this is the financial limit he has, I have to give him an A. I don't know how he could have done much better overall in allocating resources and keeping the top prospects. Obviously you can look at Pelfrey or Maybin individually, but all things taken together, at this budget I give him an A.

Now if is allowed to get an OF, but chooses not too because he doesn't want to spend the $ it would take, I drop him to a B+. I feel confident with thinking we can do well with this roster, but add a Tier 1 OF and I know we can do well.

I still think by the end of January we have a solid LF added to this roster - whichever of the big 4 that is left or even a Parra/Spahn type if they are left. I just think Illitch opens up the $ for it as he also knows that is the only weak spot. In that regard, I think Avila did a better job than anyone could have expected filling all the other needs economically in terms of $ and trade chips early, so that as Illitch simmers on the team over the next month or so, the only glaring weakness he sees is LF and he starts to make a bit of a push.

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At this point in time my inclination is to knock him a little for Pelfrey and Maybin - I don't think I would have used that money that way, but in the end it isn't like the marginal gains that could have been had with that money is that great in all likelihood.

So probably A-, maybe a B+ if I am hatin' on the guy because I rolled out of bed the wrong way.

They need a LF, but if this is all the budget he was allotted, he wasn't going to be able to fill all the holes no matter how clever he was.

Edited by Mr. Bigglesworth

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Glory, that's a fair assessment. I agree if Ilitch told him money was no object and he doesn't pick up a solid outfielder he should be downgraded. But I doubt Ilitch gave him carte Blanche with his checkbook, although you never know!

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I can assure you Al will spend every dollar he's given. No reason not to.

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I give him a B+. I think every move he made was for a necessary piece, and the cost, either money or prospects, was very good for each move.

He still has one obvious spot where an upgrade can be made and if he fails to do something with that spot I don't see how he can get an A grade.

If the budget is limited, it's his job to convince ilitch to increase it.

Still, it's extremely impressive that he added three very good bullpen guys, a top of the rotation starter, a back of the rotation starter, and a fourth outfielder that can play CF while staying at the luxury cap and giving up little in the way of prospects.

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I don't know if it is fair to criticize him for not convincing Ilitch to increase the budget. In my experience I think there is only so much one man can do to convince another man to spend more of his $$$.

I do, however, think it would be a fair to question if his priorities were correct if he is budget limited. In other words, I would have made getting an upgrade in LF as a higher priority versus acquiring 3 RP, or a back end starter for that matter.

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I don't know if it is fair to criticize him for not convincing Ilitch to increase the budget. In my experience I think there is only so much one man can do to convince another man to spend more of his $$$.

I do, however, think it would be a fair to question if his priorities were correct if he is budget limited. In other words, I would have made getting an upgrade in LF as a higher priority versus acquiring 3 RP, or a back end starter for that matter.

The Back end starter, I agree, but he really didn't spend much on the bullpen. Roughly $12 mil for the 3 guys. I guess you could take Lowe out and add that to Pelfrey and you have $13.5 mil extra to spend on an OF, but then you potentially have the same issues with the bullpen as the past 4-8 years and are counting Norris and a group of question marks as well as Sanchez bouncing back. IMO he took the bullpen from being a weakness to a likely strength with a lot of competition for the last 2 spots. He also created a good amount of depth in the rotation should Norris fail, Sanchez not bounce back, injuries, etc.

Another thing I think has to be taken into consideration is that I believe Illitch is more likely to splurge on an OF at the end of the offseason than he would have been on a middle reliever or 5th starter. Thus, this is the most likely way to fill all of the significant needs this offseason.

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JJ Cooper ‏@jjcoop36 39s39 seconds ago

Tigers, Mariners, Red Sox, Dbacks, Rays, Twins, Indians can't pickin MLB phase as they are at 40.

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Another thing I think has to be taken into consideration is that I believe Illitch is more likely to splurge on an OF at the end of the offseason than he would have been on a middle reliever or 5th starter. Thus, this is the most likely way to fill all of the significant needs this offseason.

This is exactly how I see it. Avila knew he didn't have enough budget to fill all the holes without Ilitch stepping in. If Ilitch steps in, it's going to be for a star - one of the outfielders. So, he filled in what he he could with his budget and now maybe Ilitch will splurge on an outfielder. If he left the bullpen or fifth starter until the end, Ilitch would have been less likely to spend on that.

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This is exactly how I see it. Avila knew he didn't have enough budget to fill all the holes without Ilitch stepping in. If Ilitch steps in, it's going to be for a star - one of the outfielders. So, he filled in what he he could with his budget and now maybe Ilitch will splurge on an outfielder. If he left the bullpen or fifth starter until the end, Ilitch would have been less likely to spend on that.

To be clear this is how I see it and I don't have a problem with it.

That written, it is somewhat risky because I think that approach is a higher ceiling and a lower floor approach, the lower floor being that Mike doesn't open up the checkbook in the end.

OTOH, if you truly believe they can't make the post-season absent the higher ceiling outcome, then it really isn't much of a choice from Avila's perspective. Whether you win 83 or 85 but out of the post-season is meaningless.

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This is exactly how I see it. Avila knew he didn't have enough budget to fill all the holes without Ilitch stepping in. If Ilitch steps in, it's going to be for a star - one of the outfielders. So, he filled in what he he could with his budget and now maybe Ilitch will splurge on an outfielder. If he left the bullpen or fifth starter until the end, Ilitch would have been less likely to spend on that.

And i think having all the moves done this early makes it more likely Illitch steps in. The longer he sits and sees that with just $, he could take the team from pretty good with 1 significant hole to really good with no holes on paper, the more likely IMO he does it. I believe AA has also shown him that he can fill weaknesses with more value than anyone so far in the offseason, so if down the road, they need to do that, he has earned some confidence. What he gave up for an affordable closer and LH reliever of Wilson's caliber is extremely impressive. Salty at league minimum is great. Zimmermann for his contract is a great deal, especially that early in the offseason. Even Lowe is signed to a solid deal especially considering Madson signed for an additional year and $11 mil and has as many or more question marks.

I still question the 2nd year for Pelfrey, but since they said they are open to moving him to the pen as guys are ready, I have less issues with it. Acquiring Maybin as a primary starter isn't ideal, but at $5.5 mil and knowing the only way to fill all the needs is for Illitch to splurge late, he could have done much worse.

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JJ Cooper ‏@jjcoop36 39s39 seconds ago

Tigers, Mariners, Red Sox, Dbacks, Rays, Twins, Indians can't pickin MLB phase as they are at 40.

I don't understand what this means.

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