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Going forward, we should probably be looking at individual performance of players who will probably be around in 2016. This is what I have as sure things and question marks

Sure things

Pitching: Verlander, Sanchez, Norris, Boyd, Wilson, Rondon, Hardy

Hitters: McCann, Iglesias, Martinez, Martinez, Cabrera, Kinsler

Question Marks

Pitching: None. Everyone else not listed shouldn't be on the roster

Hitters: Gose, Castellanos, Collins, Romine, Davis

In lieu of looking at wins and losses, I want to focus on guys who will be around next year. Any corrections or additions?

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Going forward, we should probably be looking at individual performance of players who will probably be around in 2016. This is what I have as sure things and question marks

Sure things

Pitching: Verlander, Sanchez, Norris, Boyd, Wilson, Rondon, Hardy

Hitters: McCann, Iglesias, Martinez, Martinez, Cabrera

Question Marks

Pitching: None. Everyone else not listed shouldn't be on the roster

Hitters: Gose, Castellanos, Collins

In lieu of looking at wins and losses, I want to focus on guys who will be around next year. Any corrections or additions?

Kinsler?

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by sure things do you mean on the 40 or on the 25? I don't think Norris or Boyd are sure things for the 25 next season.

On the 40 with a chance to be with the big club. Another guy that I forgot was Al-Al who's pretty much been their most consistent reliever for as long as he's been here.

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by sure things do you mean on the 40 or on the 25? I don't think Norris or Boyd are sure things for the 25 next season.

Boyd I think it questionable to be on the 25. But I'll be surprised if Norris isn't.

I think JV and Sanchez are sure things for the rotation. I think Greene will probably be given every chance to make it back on the rotation. That's 3 of 5 spots. So for Norris to get bumped to the minor leagues that means the Tigers would need to trade for or sign two good quality starters AND for Greene or Lobstien to return to 'good enough' status to beat out Norris.

I don't see them getting to good quality starters in FA. And if they trade for one, I suspect Greene or Lobstein might be part of that trade. I'd say there's great than 70% chance Norris is in the rotation next year.

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... I think Greene will probably be given every chance to make it back on the rotation. ..

Don't know what to do with Greene. I maybe would not bring him back to Det after Sept1. Let him take the time off in Sept/Oct but send him to winter ball to see if he can find his fastball and rotation again. He needs to break it all down and rebuild the way he used to throw.

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It's kinda funny 'cause August will be the same from a fans perspective with the Lions and the Tigers: Don't care so much about the final result of the game, as long as key individuals show good development going forward.

Pitching: Verlander, Sanchez, Norris, Boyd, Wilson, Rondon, Hardy

Verlander and Sanchez will be in the rotation, no question. I hope that Verlander and continue to put up good showings. That will be a positive heading into 2016. Sanchez has had an off year, no question. No sure if we'll see any change on the front or if just ignore it and hope next year is better.

I'd like to see some quality outings from Norris... I'd like to feel confident that he will be at minimum adequate in the rotation because I suspect he's already penciled in there for 2016.

Boyd I don't care about as much because I think he's a 2017 or beyond guy.

Wilson, Hardy, Rondon, and Al Al: This is the core of the 2016 bullpen in my opinion. I just want to see decent outings from them. I want to see strikes thrown and walks minimized.

Hitters: McCann, Iglesias, Martinez, Martinez, Cabrera, Kinsler

They guys will all be back no matter what happens the rest of the season. Obviously I want them to do well, but I wouldn't worry about any of them falling off the cliff the rest of this year. Maybe McCann... just from a confidence stand point. Iglesias maybe too... but not as much as McCann.

Question Marks

Pitching: None. Everyone else not listed shouldn't be on the roster

Hitters: Gose, Castellanos, Collins, Romine, Davis

With the exception of AlAl (which you've already noted), I agree on pitchers. I do think Greene will be back in some capacity, so I'd like to see him get this stuff together again, but I'd prefer he wasn't in the rotation.

Gose, Castellanos, and Romine I'd like back. Davis and Collins... meh.

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So this is a list of people currently in the organization who I think will be considered for the 40-man next season:

C - McCann

1B - Miggy

2B - Kinsler

SS - Iglesias

3B - Castellanos

LF - ????

CF - Gose / ????

RF - JD Martinez

DH - Victor Martinez

Bench - Romine /????/????/????

Controlled 40-man possibilities: Collins, Marte, Holaday, Moya, Fields, Bernard, Machado

FAs: Avila, Rajai

P - Verlander

P - Sanchez

P - ????

P - ????

P - ????

RP - Rondon

RP - Wilson

RP - Hardy

RP - AlAl

RP - ????

RP - ????

RP - ????

Controlled 40-man Possibilities: Norris, Boyd, Lobstein, Farmer, Greene, Ferell, Nesbitt, Krol, Ryan, VerHagen

Others Possibilities (not on 40-man): Fulmer, Cessa (rule 5), Knudson (rule 5), DeLaRosa (rule 5), Briceno (rule 5), Voelker

FAs: Feilz (not going to be offered arbitration)

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I don't think Nick is a question mark. He is still young cost controlled and so far in the second half is sporting a .809 OPS.

Agree with this. I liked the way Nick stepped in during the dustup between JM and Iggy. I know that doesn't show up in the stat book, but I liked his attitude there.

And he did have a nice streak at the plate for a while. The longest I remember him being hot. He may have made some fielding errors but very few, if any, with throwing to 1st.

We are doing a little rebuilding or retooling so he is someone that should be on the roster.

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Guys I'll be watching with eyes to 2016:

-VMart: Will he get better the farther he gets away from his injury?

-Castellanos: Will he maintain his recent improvement at the plate through the entire 2nd half?

-Marte: Can he keep playing his way into a prominent bench role?

-JV: Is he back?

-Rondon: Can he stay healthy for rest of season? Can he become the 1st division closer he has shown flashes of?

-Farmer: Can he be a plus reliever?

-Front Office: Are they going to be more active improving the bottom of the 40-man?

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Marte plays other positions than 1st, right? Now that I'm thinking about it, didn't Mario say he was playing out of position at 1st?

If so, won't he and Romine be battling for a spot?

He's a third baseman - so really 1st should not be much of a stretch for him skill wise. His biggest problem seems to be not knowing what to go after on his right - which you'd expect.

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Marte plays other positions than 1st, right? Now that I'm thinking about it, didn't Mario say he was playing out of position at 1st?

If so, won't he and Romine be battling for a spot?

Probably not. Marte plays third but can't play short or 2nd. Marte is battling a fifth outfielder/don kelly type.

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Interesting. I agree that Sanchez has been representative of the Tigers season. He is probably the biggest non-injury disappointment this season, and we really needed him to be solid.

The positioning on the rubber and Cueto varying his delivery makes me wonder if any pitcher has considered moving his spot on the rubber in-game. Maybe 2nd or 3rd times through a lineup to give a different look. Of course it might be difficult to manicure the landing spot and such to how you want it if you keep changing.

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Probably not. Marte plays third but can't play short or 2nd. Marte is battling a fifth outfielder/don kelly type.

Marte played a handful of games at SS in Toledo this season. But I think that was more a function of getting Machado a few games at 3B. They kept Lennerton/Hessman at 1B/DH during those games. Not sure if Marte is a corner OF type, but I suppose it is worth trying in winter ball and spring training. Perhaps if he can handle it defensively, he and Collins can be the LF platoon while allowing Avila to allocate resources to the pitching staff. I wouldn't count on it actually happening, but it might be worth a shot.

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Guys I'll be watching with eyes to 2016:

-VMart: Will he get better the farther he gets away from his injury?

-Castellanos: Will he maintain his recent improvement at the plate through the entire 2nd half?

-Marte: Can he keep playing his way into a prominent bench role?

-JV: Is he back?

-Rondon: Can he stay healthy for rest of season? Can he become the 1st division closer he has shown flashes of?

-Farmer: Can he be a plus reliever?

-Front Office: Are they going to be more active improving the bottom of the 40-man?

As far as improving the bottom of the 40 man roster, that doesn't happen overnight. That comes from drafting and developing. The recent trades have helped, but still the team needs to continually improve.

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September call ups might be interesting from the starting pitching perspective. Assuming they will be out of contention, which starters will they evaluate in the rotation? I'd think they'll probably guard against using Boyd and Norris too much this season. Lobstein is coming off of injury, so they'll likely watch him a bit. Six man rotation, maybe? Verlander, Sanchez, and Simon for sure. Keep Boyd and Norris in there, add Lobstein in, and there is six. Or further add in Greene and Fulmer, and possibly have starts split amongst Boyd/Norris/Fulmer/Greene? Say those 4 arms for 2 spots? Boyd starts with Greene in relief and then flip it around to a Greene start with Boyd in relief the next time that spot is due to pitch?

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September call ups might be interesting from the starting pitching perspective. Assuming they will be out of contention, which starters will they evaluate in the rotation? I'd think they'll probably guard against using Boyd and Norris too much this season. Lobstein is coming off of injury, so they'll likely watch him a bit. Six man rotation, maybe? Verlander, Sanchez, and Simon for sure. Keep Boyd and Norris in there, add Lobstein in, and there is six. Or further add in Greene and Fulmer, and possibly have starts split amongst Boyd/Norris/Fulmer/Greene? Say those 4 arms for 2 spots? Boyd starts with Greene in relief and then flip it around to a Greene start with Boyd in relief the next time that spot is due to pitch?

Agreed, but with Fulmer, I hope they do with him what the Cubs did with Bryant this year, and what the Tigers did with Porcello his rookie year. Starting him at Toledo and skipping him a start would be best for the Tigers in the long run. The Tigers have excellent relief pitching in WM, I would love to see them evaluated at a higher level. But that team is really good, and hopefully will make the playoffs.

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Agreed, but with Fulmer, I hope they do with him what the Cubs did with Bryant this year, and what the Tigers did with Porcello his rookie year. Starting him at Toledo and skipping him a start would be best for the Tigers in the long run.

That's a good point, I didn't think about the service time implications.

The Tigers have excellent relief pitching in WM, I would love to see them evaluated at a higher level. But that team is really good, and hopefully will make the playoffs.

Hopefully it can translate to a MLB playoff performance next season, but that is probably a bit aggressive.

Who is this Tyler Ford fellow, and how does he have this nearly 7 K/BB ratio for this season, and, more importantly, does it play above A level?

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