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I'm a salary scold in the sense that I do pay attention to player contracts. I'm not in the sense that I don't care what the team payroll is.

For example, $25M for Max + $200M team payroll = great signing. $35M for Max + $150M team payroll = bad signing.

I agree, but a big free agent signing usually means that Ilitch is willing to increase payroll which is always a good thing as far as I'm concerned. If it were another owner, I might be more wary of big contracts.

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So, I'm guessing (only) that David Price grew up in Tenn and was a "huge fan" of the Braves growing up. I wonder what we could get for him from Atlanta? Not that I want to go back to a RH-only SP rotation again.

If they do sign Max, I see them far more likely to trade Porcello than Price. For a team trying to win now, it'd be much harder to replace Price's value than Rick's.

One extreme long shot scenario could be Price to ATL for Upton. As you mentioned, Price could be appealing to them bc he grew up a Braves fan and is a (sort of) local guy. The Braves have Gattis and Markakis for the corners. They seem to have no intention of extending Upton. They have said they want more SP. They probably can't afford Price long term, but as with Upton, they'd at least get a draft pick back and both players project to be worth about the same next year in WAR.

But as others have mentioned, the Braves are likely more interested in getting players that are cheaper with 3+ years of club control. A Price trade only works if they can't get any prospects or young players that they really like. Even then, the Braves seem to really be pinching their pennies lately and Price will cost about 5 million more next year than Upton, which probably kills any chance of a deal happening.

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Post-season ERA:

Price 4.50

Porcello 4.41

I giggled. Anyway:

Porcello has faced 7 post season batters since the 2011 playoffs (when better pitchers arrived) and pitched less than 2 innings including allowing the bases loaded hit to end a game. He has thrown a total of 20 pitches in the playoff games since 2011.

Price started his games and battled.

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It sounds like Lester is juggling offers that are all around 6/150. I hope the Max deal doesn't look much worse than 7/175, but if Illitch is really set on retaining him, it easily could.

When Lester makes his decision, 3 teams are gonna walk away unhappy. Maybe another suitor or two emerges for Max as well. Illitch gave Prince 9 years when it didn't appear that another team was willing to give him 7. So yeah, I believe there will be some real sticker shock if/when we get Scherzer.

Still... If we do bring Max back and hold onto Price... That looks like the best rotation in baseball. And that's assuming we then flip Porcello for Cespedes or another OFer.

Hopefully, Lester makes his decision today and everything plays out soon thereafter.

The Prince contract was crazy. I think they'll just match whatever was Max's top offer from another team like they did with Sanchez.

It sounds like Scherzer would prefer to go back to the Tigers provided they equal the top offers.

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Price started his games and battled.

So, that makes him a playoff assassin? I'm sure Porcello would have started games and "battled" too if given the opportunity. Obviously, Price is a better pitcher than Porcello, but it's not because he assassinates opponents in the playoffs.

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I giggled. Anyway:

Porcello has faced 7 post season batters since the 2011 playoffs (when better pitchers arrived) and pitched less than 2 innings including allowing the bases loaded hit to end a game. He has thrown a total of 20 pitches in the playoff games since 2011.

Price started his games and battled.

Like I said a couple weeks ago. We sign max and price or porcello goes for a stud of.

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So, that makes him a playoff assassin? I'm sure Porcello would have started games and "battled" too if given the opportunity. Obviously, Price is a better pitcher than Porcello, but it's not because he assassinates opponents in the playoffs.

we agree that Price is a better pitcher.

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BBTN just had a winter meetings roundtable segment. They talked again about how badly the Tigers want to bring Scherzer back and speculate that it could cost 200 mil or so to make it happen. Olney said that the execs he spoke with seem convinced that if the Tigers do get Max, they'll hold onto Price and deal Porcello.

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there is no false narrative. Porcello has not been trusted to be a playoff SP.

He hasn't pitched much in the playoffs because the Tigers have had outstanding staffs and did not need him. There is not nearly enough data to say that he can't be trusted in the playoffs. There is also no data supporting that Price is a playoff assassin unless your definition of assassin is a lot different from mine. I think Porcello could have a 4.50 ERA in the playoffs if given a chance. I think Price could do better than that, but so far he hasn't.

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