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Hillary would be Mitt Romney but without the personal integrity.

Yes. As you have said before, you can't slide a credit card between the differences of Hillary Clinton and Dick Cheney on foreign policy.

To me, there are two issues that if you voted for, supported and/or I think you would have supported at the time, I cannot vote for you. The Iraq War is the first disqualification, the other is TARP.

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Yes. As you have said before, you can't slide a credit card between the differences of Hillary Clinton and Dick Cheney on foreign policy.

To me, there are two issues that if you voted for, supported and/or I think you would have supported at the time, I cannot vote for you. The Iraq War is the first disqualification, the other is TARP.

LMAO!

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And now Hillary says FREE COLLEGE TO EVERYONE...cept to hardworking taxpayers who pay for it.

Liberalism is a complete failure in my opinion. The only way they get elected is to promise more free (to them) stuff.

I don't get the resistance to making college free in the US. Free education was a primary principle in the founding of this nation. Even before the Constitution was written, the Continental Congress and Confederation Congresses were passing laws to fund and support free public education. In today's world, a Bachelor's degree is a more basic requirement of economic success that finishing high school was when the nation was founded, yet the understanding that led the nation to make primary and secondary education a free right even before we figured out how to put the states together, doesn't extend today to college education. Yeah - it would be big pull to reorganize the system to make it work, but I just don't get why Americans don't support the effort. It should be part of our national DNA.

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^ typical liberal thinking. Idealistic. This is not utopia.

Give homes to everyone. Give health care to everyone. Give Obama phones to everyone. Give food to everyone. Give College to everyone. Give tax refunds to peeps who don't pay in. yeah, that's the ticket.

Kill the incentives to go to work and we will end up in complete debt and probably defaulting. We've been downgraded already under Obama.

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^ typical liberal thinking. Idealistic.

Give homes to everyone. Give health care to everyone. Give Obama phones to everyone. Give food to everyone. Give College to everyone. Give tax refunds to peeps who don't pay in. yeah, that's the ticket.

Kill the incentives to go to work and we will end up in complete debt and probably defaulting. We've been downgraded already under Obama.

How is educating people anything like a hand out? If you can't see the difference between those two concepts I don't know what to say.

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How is educating people anything like a hand out? If you can't see the difference between those two concepts I don't know what to say.

This country was and has been great without handing out free college paid for by hardworking taxpayers. Taxpayers are burdened enough already.

If you don't understand the debt we have, I don't know what to say.

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This country was and has been great without handing out free college paid for by hardworking taxpayers. If you don't understand the debt we have, I don't know what to say.

and it was great in no small part because we decided to educate our population when the rest of world still thought that was a 'hand-out'

In todays world, 4 or at at least 2 yrs of college doesn't get you near the intellectual command of the modern world that k-12 provided for people of the 18th and 19th centuries. We can wallow in our backwardness, like Europeans did in those days while we taught our population to read and write, or we can lead into the next century by teaching our kids the technology and science they need to keep leading the world.

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If I'm understanding your post correctly...I thought it would've been Biden. Meaning someone to carry Obama's legacy forward.

It's a joke son -- One of the big topics of discussion around the Clinton campaign has been how should she attack the electoral map - what is her best route to 270 electoral votes? And so the companion discussion was 'can she reassemble the Obama coalition' as one possibility. Looks like Bernie may be beating her to it.

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It's a joke son -- One of the big topics of discussion around the Clinton campaign has been how should she attack the electoral map - what is her best route to 270 electoral votes? And so the companion discussion was 'can she reassemble the Obama coalition' as one possibility. Looks like Bernie may be beating her to it.

ohhhhhh, you 'son'd' me. LOL

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They were wrong too. But almost every Republican, save Ron Paul, in both the bodies of Congress voted for it. Not nearly enough Democrats voted to stop it, that is true. It's why, among a million other reasons, Hillary should never sniff the White House. Anyone whose judgement is that grossly negligent and ill-informed should not be close to the White House.

It was the judgement of our government dating back to Clinton, as was the intelligence on the infrastructure that was so wildly inaccurate. And in all of the UN haggling, can you name me the government that disagreed with this assessment?

I saw Mike Morrell (Bush's former briefer and Obama CIA appointee) pushing a book several weeks ago. He said nobody pressured the CIA and that they just had it wrong. He also went into some detail about the daily briefs filled with chatter about suitcase bombs and other massive attacks. Pretty interesting stuff.

Hillary should not get near the White House because she is a coward who decided to blame Bush to dodge responsibility for her own vote.

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It was the judgement of our government dating back to Clinton, as was the intelligence on the infrastructure that was so wildly inaccurate. And in all of the UN haggling, can you name me the government that disagreed with this assessment?

I saw Mike Morrell (Bush's former briefer and Obama CIA appointee) pushing a book several weeks ago. He said nobody pressured the CIA and that they just had it wrong. He also went into some detail about the daily briefs filled with chatter about suitcase bombs and other massive attacks. Pretty interesting stuff.

Hillary should not get near the White House because she is a coward who decided to blame Bush to dodge responsibility for her own vote.

Of course, if we wanted better independent intelligence, we could have avoided trying to torpedo the UN agencies we commissioned to get some answers...(note this goes back to Clinton as well)

How the IAEA went from lapdog to watchdog in Iraq | Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

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I don't get the resistance to making college free in the US. Free education was a primary principle in the founding of this nation. Even before the Constitution was written, the Continental Congress and Confederation Congresses were passing laws to fund and support free public education. In today's world, a Bachelor's degree is a more basic requirement of economic success that finishing high school was when the nation was founded, yet the understanding that led the nation to make primary and secondary education a free right even before we figured out how to put the states together, doesn't extend today to college education. Yeah - it would be big pull to reorganize the system to make it work, but I just don't get why Americans don't support the effort. It should be part of our national DNA.

Maybe we should fix our currently free education before adding more free education. And frankly having interviewed many college grads (liberal arts types) I am not impressed by the samples from most of the public universities in Michigan. Having said that, I do think there are certain degrees that we could consider subsidizing (mostly in the medical field).

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2015/01/STEM_pisa.png

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Maybe we should fix our currently free education before adding more free education. And frankly having interviewed many college grads (liberal arts types) I am not impressed by the samples from most of the public universities in Michigan. Having said that, I do think there are certain degrees that we could consider subsidizing (mostly in the medical field).

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2015/01/STEM_pisa.png

I think you are correct in that an extended public system couldn't just be free tuition anywhere you want to go in the current system. I'd be fine with some kind of 'employability' connection - in whatever form that might take. But the I think the basic concept of extending free education to some higher level is a long term must.

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Of course, if we wanted better independent intelligence, we could have avoided trying to torpedo the UN agencies we commissioned to get some answers...(note this goes back to Clinton as well)

How the IAEA went from lapdog to watchdog in Iraq | Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

True. The whole situation was a mess, including the oil for food program, the no fly zones with Iraq firing at our planes on a weekly basis and the UN resolutions Iraq was violating without consequence.

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Dems voted for authorization of the Iraq war.

Or authorization of use of force. or whatevs.

Some did vote for an authorization of force if inspections failed. But they're not Commander in Chief either, nor were they in agreement that the inspections had failed. Your effort to pin Iraq on someone other than y'alls boy isn't going to work.

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iirc, Obama felt Afghanistan was the right war and he escalated and caused almost 2 to 1 American deaths under his watch. I could be way, WAY off on that, but that is my recollection.

Yes, he did feel it was the just war. They did attack us, after all.

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