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If you want to vote for Rubio then you might as well amend the Constitution and allow George W. Bush to run for a third time. Policy wise, he's the same as Bush on just about every issue. The only sensible Republican in the race, the only one different than everyone else and wouldn't give you a continuation of the Bush-era policies is Rand Paul. If you liked what happened during the Bush Presidency see, well then, I guess you'll be satisfied with a guy like Rubio.

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If you want to vote for Rubio then you might as well amend the Constitution and allow George W. Bush to run for a third time. Policy wise, he's the same as Bush on just about every issue. The only sensible Republican in the race, the only one different than everyone else and wouldn't give you a continuation of the Bush-era policies is Rand Paul. If you liked what happened during the Bush Presidency see, well then, I guess you'll be satisfied with a guy like Rubio.

That is exactly what I am saying. I'd rather vote for GWB again than the current red rabble.

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Is this the same Rubio who didn't show up to vote for the spending bill?

That was his brother, Polo Rubio. Seriously, the Republicans (and they were in the right to criticize him), pointed out and ragged on Obama over the fact that he had so many missed votes and "present" votes as a State and U.S. Senator. Furthermore, they always accused him of being in campaign mode 24/7 and never actually doing the job his constituents elected him to do, which is be a Senator. And now, they are quite possibly going to nominate a guy in Rubio who has been doing the same darn thing. That's party politics for you though.

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Walt, i think you want George H.W. Bush. He's the one who got the Japanese and Saudis to pay for a war that included Syria in a task force against Saddam and oversaw (against Thatcher's wishes) the reunification of Germany and dissolution of the Soviet Union.

Ha, that is outside of the scope of the comparison being made.

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That was his brother, Polo Rubio. Seriously, the Republicans (and they were in the right to criticize him), pointed out and ragged on Obama over the fact that he had so many missed votes and "present" votes as a State and U.S. Senator. Furthermore, they always accused him of being in campaign mode 24/7 and never actually doing the job his constituents elected him to do, which is be a Senator. And now, they are quite possibly going to nominate a guy in Rubio who has been doing the same darn thing. That's party politics for you though.

I don't know what his excuse was, but this was a pretty important vote IMO. You will be happy to know Paul voted, and voted correctly. The entire CISA thing chaps my *** to no end. I would expect Rubio to vote the other way, but we'll never know.

If you want to know how they voted (for the house go clear to the top for the link);

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/114-2015/s339

Wired on CISA

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Still, Rubio appears to be weathering the storm. He might be the dog food that the dog will actually eat when people start voting. Supposedly he's leading in Nevada and once we get past the Iowa/NH things it will open up a bit.

Most recent NV polling shows Trump +13 over the nearest competitor. But it is a caucus state, so it will come down to the ground game and will probably be a close race at this point. I doubt that Rubio can leapfrog Cruz though. The more this progresses, the more it seems that Cruz is locking up the evangelical vote.

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Always funny how every four years people want change and elect the same type person.

I think the way to do it would be to make campaigning (Presidential) illegal - let's have none at all. If you don't know enough about a person or there isn't enough information available about what they have done or stand for, then they are clearly too inexperienced for the job. If there is then that is what you should decide on because anything said once the campaign starts isn't worth the elections it takes to send it down an IP line.

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One of the things I'm hearing from the "Pundit" tv show I catch a couple mornings a week is that Rubio has virtually no ground game in the early states (Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, etc) and is relying almost entirely on tv and radio advertising. These are states where the voters rely on getting to know the candidates up close and personal and talking issues with canvassers.

If he keeps throwing money at the campaign without the effort of trying to get out the vote.......

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I think the way to do it would be to make campaigning (Presidential) illegal - let's have none at all. If you don't know enough about a person or there isn't enough information available about what they have done or stand for, then they are clearly too inexperienced for the job. If there is then that is what you should decide on because anything said once the campaign starts isn't worth the elections it takes to send it down an IP line.

That's the engineer in you. ;)

I think leadership requires a certain charisma that isn't captured on paper.

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If you want to vote for Rubio then you might as well amend the Constitution and allow George W. Bush to run for a third time. Policy wise, he's the same as Bush on just about every issue. The only sensible Republican in the race, the only one different than everyone else and wouldn't give you a continuation of the Bush-era policies is Rand Paul. If you liked what happened during the Bush Presidency see, well then, I guess you'll be satisfied with a guy like Rubio.

I would like to support Paul but I disagree with him on foreign policy and the issues he's chosen to make a stand on in the Senate.

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Most recent NV polling shows Trump +13 over the nearest competitor. But it is a caucus state, so it will come down to the ground game and will probably be a close race at this point. I doubt that Rubio can leapfrog Cruz though. The more this progresses, the more it seems that Cruz is locking up the evangelical vote.

supposedly Nevada is Rubio's first possible win. The race could change a lot by then.

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Because when I think leadership driven by charisma, I think Trump and Hillary.

Trump definitely has charisma in my opinion - not traditional "charisma" but some sort of magnetism. Even before running for president with the TV shows, and being just really famous before that.

Hillary... not so much.

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supposedly Nevada is Rubio's first possible win. The race could change a lot by then.

I'm not sure who is stating this, but it's not terribly believable that one of the most libertarian leaning state GOP's are now going to fall in for one of the biggest neo-con candidates. Particularly when recent polling still shows Trump +13.

Harry Reid said today, that he thinks that Trump is a "lock" to win the Nevada GOP caucus. For what that is worth, I don't know, but the guy does know Nevada politics.

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That sort of Rubio indifference will not play well in caucus states like Iowa and Nevada. Rubio's strategy, if he has one, seems like he is trying to be a wall flower while waiting for the other candidates to become so unlikable that people have no other choice but to vote for him. Seems like a poor strategy to me. Regardless, it doesn't look like he is going to show well in the first four contests. At best he's looking at probably four third place finishes (Cruz/Trump seem a pretty strong 1/2 to me now). At worst, he might be toast after Nevada, particularly if someone like Christie muscles him out in NH.

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There's a lot to like about Trump's rhetoric. And no doubt it is going to keep playing well to american voters, who frankly, aren't going to look much past the headline quotes. I'm pretty sure Trump is going to be in it until the convention now, short of some kind of unforeseen implosion. But that's hard to envision given he has been teflon don thus far.

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