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Chris, I actually threw out the same chart on twitter. I had two people tell me that a higher release point was better, but I don't know them well enough to know if they know anything. I would guess that there is such a thing as a release point being too high especially when he had success with a lower one. I'm not knowledgeable about pitching mechanics though.

I don't know anything about pitching mechanics either, unfortunately. I have been listening to the TINSTAAPP podcasts at BP however, and Doug Thorburn, who really seems to know his stuff, is very much against the over-the-top motion because he feels like the minimal gain in "downward plane" isn't worth the sacrifices in posture and extension. The podcasts are worth a listen, but man are they epic...like 3-4 hours each. Some very good info though. I've already been introduced to the new-to-me concept of effective velocity, and I expect I'll learn a lot more.

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A higher release point is generally considered to be safer..

I've never heard this, and it's contradictory to anything I've ever learned.

Throwing underhand puts very little strain on the shoulder, which is why softballers can throw practically every day / every other day if need be.

As you go further up (to submarine, side arm, 3 quarters, overhand) you put more and more stress on the shoulder. This is fairly easy to observe by just going out and play catch. It's also consistent with other sports injuries (especially swimming, which wreaks havoc on shoulders).

The benefit of going straight over the top is more power (which is also why you create more strain). The other benefit is that the motion is easier to repeat and the release point is more consistant. If you are throwing straight over the top it's much easier to keep the mechanics consistent because you arm is staying within your frame (this also applies to softball). When you start throwing sidearm, your arm goes outside of the frame and you create a longer lever.

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I don't know anything about pitching mechanics either, unfortunately. I have been listening to the TINSTAAPP podcasts at BP however, and Doug Thorburn, who really seems to know his stuff, is very much against the over-the-top motion because he feels like the minimal gain in "downward plane" isn't worth the sacrifices in posture and extension. The podcasts are worth a listen, but man are they epic...like 3-4 hours each. Some very good info though. I've already been introduced to the new-to-me concept of effective velocity, and I expect I'll learn a lot more.

Thanks for posting this. While it doesn't replace the great Up and In podcast I've listened to a few hours of the first and am into the second hour of the JV x Darvish episode. Excellent stuff, feel like some segments will have to be listened to a few times to get the information to sink in.

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Thanks for posting this. While it doesn't replace the great Up and In podcast I've listened to a few hours of the first and am into the second hour of the JV x Darvish episode. Excellent stuff, feel like some segments will have to be listened to a few times to get the information to sink in.

Yeah, I miss Up and In as well, though I think Fringe Average and TINSTAAPP fill the void quite nicely. I'm with you on listening to stuff several times...it can get kind of dense.

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I've never heard this, and it's contradictory to anything I've ever learned.

Throwing underhand puts very little strain on the shoulder, which is why softballers can throw practically every day / every other day if need be.

As you go further up (to submarine, side arm, 3 quarters, overhand) you put more and more stress on the shoulder. This is fairly easy to observe by just going out and play catch. It's also consistent with other sports injuries (especially swimming, which wreaks havoc on shoulders).

The benefit of going straight over the top is more power (which is also why you create more strain). The other benefit is that the motion is easier to repeat and the release point is more consistant. If you are throwing straight over the top it's much easier to keep the mechanics consistent because you arm is staying within your frame (this also applies to softball). When you start throwing sidearm, your arm goes outside of the frame and you create a longer lever.

The lower arm slot puts lots of strain on the elbow, though. Also consistent and repeatable mechanics are considered to have less injury risk than those which are not consistent.

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I was just coming to post this. Rogo can't help it - the best way to deal with Simonson is to ignore him but his idiocy is out there to annihilate and Rogo always hits the target with his responses. I cannot fathom anyone listening to the Huge show because they enjoy it. It's just terrible.

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Oh my goodness....incredible! Very good find and an excellent read. I like this part;

"I also find it hard to stomach that his very public fling with Kate Upton has anything to do with how fast he is throwing the baseball. Some even say once he got the big money, he lost his motivation.

People that say this are the kind of mouth-breathers that keep the National Enquirer and TMZ in business. Otherwise, they are known as Yankees fans."

Just. Plain. Hilarious.

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