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I just love the fact that Yankee Fan can lament about all the times in this game their hitters failed them, the "if-onlys" they can replay in their minds for the next several decades. They were expecting to win that game; it was all there for the taking and then snatched away.

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Sure, what is a lead-off hitter? Someone who gets on base a lot or someone with speed? Both? I'd rather have a guy on base with average to slow speed than a guy who strikes out in half of his at-bats. It's easier to score a guy who gets on base.

I know what I consider a lead off hitter. My opinion doesn't really matter on it though...we all know what Leyland thinks is a lead off hitter and we don't have many of those guys.

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That is far too simplistic IMO. The wins could have been more dominant, perhaps the losses would have been wins, perhaps the games wouldn't have been as tight and stressful etc.

But again, it's all speculation at this point.

It may be too simplistic, but it is all that matters really. Maybe we win the games we lost, maybe we lose the games we won, maybe we lose the series. Jackson did score the biggest run of the year in the last game and got the biggest (maybe second biggest behind V-Marts single later in the inning) hit. Maybe whoever plays instead of him gets on base and does the same thing, maybe he doesnt.

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Absolutely. Who would you like to see leading off going forward (not necessarily in the playoffs)? I was thinking about this last night and without looking up any stats, I thought I'd be all right with Peralta leading off. I looked up his obp this morning - .345 this season with 95 Ks.

I hadn't thought about it much because I know that if Stubborn Jim started a guy with 181 K's in the ALDS lead-off spot, there was no amount of hot air that would change that. I would have to think about it.

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It may be too simplistic, but it is all that matters really.

But that eliminates the discussion of the intricacies of the game and, imo, cheapens the game. It's like choosing stagnation instead of improvement. Again, just my opinion, but I like to look at the game a little deeper than just the wins and losses.

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But that eliminates the discussion of the intricacies of the game and, imo, cheapens the game. It's like choosing stagnation instead of improvement. Again, just my opinion, but I like to look at the game a little deeper than just the wins and losses.

I know what you are saying, but the bottom line is the bottom line. I am happier today that Jackson is leading off and we won than I would be if Peralta or Dirks or Cabrera leads off and we lost.

We can speculate all we want, but we have no idea how it comes out if the line up was different. Maybe we win going away, maybe we lose by one run. It is fun to talk about as long as the talks do not get personal. :happy:

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But that eliminates the discussion of the intricacies of the game and, imo, cheapens the game. It's like choosing stagnation instead of improvement. Again, just my opinion, but I like to look at the game a little deeper than just the wins and losses.
And you have a right to. Just don't ever, under any circumstance, disagree with Leyland. On anything. His 3 minions will have a sad.
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And you have a right to. Just don't ever, under any circumstance, disagree with Leyland. On anything. His 3 minions will have a sad.

You can disagree, Biff can disagree, I have a right to defend him and use the bottom line as the dagger in the argument. :happy:

Likewise when I (or someone else) tries to defend him in a game we lost you can come in and say the same.

We can pick nits all day, but at the end of the day the results speak for themselves.

I am just happy the Tigers won and that AJ was the winning run in the most intense and crazy game I have EVER seen.

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A couple years ago when ARod was one of the best players in the history of the game, it would have been very satisfying to see him make the last out. Now that he's old and broken down and not such a big threat anymore, it's not really a big deal. Striking out Cano to end the game would have been a bigger deal.

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I didn't find it any more satisfying than if it had been any other player. If you aren't finding ultimate satisfaction in winning the ALDS on it's own, you have a problem.

I agree. It is gratifiying for me to see us win this series. When one looks at the predicted finishes of this forum, well I would think the Swamies of Smart around here would find gratification in this series as well.

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I don't dislike ARod, maybe I should...but the guy I LLLOOOOVE to see fail is Jeter...the whole at-bat routine, the worship of him by the NYY fans. His lousy series was my special added pleasure.

My thoughts on Jeter is I hate him because of the media. He really seems like a good guy. The media just slobbering over everything he does just makes you hate him. If he played for the Orioles I would probably like him.

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My thoughts on Jeter is I hate him because of the media. He really seems like a good guy. The media just slobbering over everything he does just makes you hate him. If he played for the Orioles I would probably like him.

That's a good point, and one worth clarifying. As an individual, he seems like a great guy. If he played for the Orioles I probably wouldn't care that much, true...but his batting routine still drives me bananas, esp. since now all of the Little League kids "hold up the hand" to the ump when they step in the box...I don't know why that bugs me so much but it does.

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Actually, Cecil does make a good point in regards to Jeter. I can't stand him and he's easily my least favorite player. However, that is almost 100% because of the media attention and Yankee fans. If he played for a lesser known franchise, I doubt I would have any problem with him.

His skills have noticeably declined, though. The Jeter and Rodriguez long-term contracts, in terms of salary and their performance on the field, are going to be awful in the years to come. But, if any organization can withstand those salaries, the Yankees can.

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The only thing I would personally counter with is the fact we won the series. If we lost you could point to it as a bad move (like pointing at Girardi for leaving A-Roid in the clean up) Their whole line up is filled with power hitters...you could move people around...our team is not filled with lead off type hitters. Just my 2 cents.

You mean, it's a good thing to have leadoff type hitters who accomplish nothing when you win? Or are you implying a causative link between having a crappy leadoff hitter and winning?

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I'm just glad the Tigers won, tbh. I don't mind the Yankees, and most fans of er, certain other teams know better than to thank me (as if I have anything to do with how the Tigers do but that's another story) for beating them. ;)

I've been fighting sinusitis (again) and haven't been able to stare at a computer much but now I'll be able to lounge in front of the tube high on sudafed. :)

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I didn't find it any more satisfying than if it had been any other player. If you aren't finding ultimate satisfaction in winning the ALDS on it's own, you have a problem.

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That is far too simplistic IMO. The wins could have been more dominant, perhaps the losses would have been wins, perhaps the games wouldn't have been as tight and stressful etc.

Or perhaps we'd have won the series faster and then bat master team MVP Hall of Famer Delmon Young wouldn't have gotten hurt in Game 5, causing the Tigers to get swept in the ALCS because they had no longer had their soul and therefore cried silently before and after every game. This seems unlikely given that both of our losses were of the blowout variety, but then again both of the breakaway innings were late in close games. If we score earlier in those games, the entire tenor of each game changes.

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