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Perhaps, and I'll admit that this sounds harsh, but maybe if we stopped encouraging kids with a 90 IQ to go to college as the natural progression from high school, and rather taught more people a trade, and stopped treating low end jobs as "jobs Americans won't do" and started treating them as an opportunity to at least subsist, maybe we could get some manufacturing jobs back into this country. I don't know. I need to flesh it out a bit.

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Perhaps, and I'll admit that this sounds harsh, but maybe if we stopped encouraging kids with a 90 IQ to go to college as the natural progression from high school, and rather taught more people a trade, and stopped treating low end jobs as "jobs Americans won't do" and started treating them as an opportunity to at least subsist, maybe we could get some manufacturing jobs back into this country. I don't know. I need to flesh it out a bit.

The 1% has moved all the manufacturing jobs somewhere else.

LOL, reading the comments from the "Let Them Eat Cake Too" crowd in this thread really shows how divorced from reality they are from the younger generation of Americans who have to claw tooth and nail for a job. I'm a Civil Engineering major, and while Civil Engineering is a relatively good field, it's not a guaruntee that you'll even get a job. I don't know what the market was during the mid '80s-early '90s, but I'm sure it was a lot easier to find a job out of college, frankly, than it is now.

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Reprinting from what Ray posted:

They say it’s because you’re lazy. They say it’s because you make poor choices. They say it’s because you’re spoiled. If you’d only apply yourself a little more, worked a little harder, planned a little better, things would go well for you. Why do you need more help? Haven’t they helped you enough? They say you have no one to blame but yourself. They say it’s all your fault.

They are the 1 percent. They are the banks, the mortgage industry, the insurance industry. They are the important ones. They need help and get bailed out and are praised as job creators. We need help and get nothing and are called entitled. We live in a society made for them, not for us. It’s their world, not ours. If we’re lucky, they’ll let us work in it so long as we don’t question the extent of their charity.

This is it right here. Sure there are some young people with a sense of entitlement. More often than not though, young people are willing to work hard and pay their dues if they see the potential for a good life down the road. The problem is they are no longer seeing as much potential and they are blaming the 1% for that. I think that is what this is about.

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A Civil Engineering degree was no guarantee you would get a job when I graduated either (1995).

Nothing is guaranteed obviously, but I don't know anyone n my engineering class of 2001 that didn't either get a full-time job or go on to grad school. Cincinnati requires co-op though, so even in todays market job placement for graduating seniors isn't a huge issue.

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I look forward to the day we as a nation recognize the goal of sending a vast majority of high school graduates to college isn't necessarily a good thing.

Of course to get there we'll need to be a nation that doesn't require a college degree for the vast majority of new jobs on the market.

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I'm a Civil Engineering major, and while Civil Engineering is a relatively good field, it's not a guaruntee that you'll even get a job. I don't know what the market was during the mid '80s-early '90s, but I'm sure it was a lot easier to find a job out of college, frankly, than it is now.

I do not doubt that due to the bad economy over the last few years that jobs have not been plentiful. But there seems to be this idea that "back in the day" good paying jobs in whatever field you so desired where just sitting there begging for people to apply. This wasn't the case.

My wife graduated near the top of her class and still had to apply at hundreds of places and did interviews are dozens. She finally got a job filling in a one year leave of absence.

Me, I got my job because I started low and gradually moved up. Neither one of us started high on the pay scale by any means.

Don't get me wrong. I KNOW that times are tough... very tough... for a lot of people. I just want people to understand that this isn't *that* different than what a lot of people have gone through for a lot of time. This isn't a vastly change and hugely different experience than many generations have seen.

There are certainly more extremes today that in the past, due in part due to the piss poor economy. But people have been graduating from college without any certain job security and lots of debt for years and years. The Good ol' days weren't that good.

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So what do you suggest they do? Just not go to college?

Obviously that is what he is suggesting. A large percentage of the students that do attend college have no business there and would have been better served at a training school. Education is big business, the mantra that everyone needs a college education is effictively a sales pitch that serves some folks detrimentally.

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I tell kids to follow their hearts and not their pocketbooks. Do what you love to do and you will be wealthy. I think that the opportunty in this country, in spite of the economy, is virtually boundless, if people would look within for the answers rather than at anybody but themselves. Doing that is the start to reversing even the most dire of circumstances that I have read from the people posting their situations online.

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Could you stop with the propaganda already? Everyone has a sob story to tell, we get it these people have made the wrong choices in life and need someone to blame their failures on. Maybe these silly people need to live within their means, like oh NOT getting a credit card in the first place to default on, that's the problem people financing stuff, I have ZERO debt, I pay cash for vehicles and luxuries. I do it the old fashioned way, I work and save my money to purchase what I want. Stupid people should only be pitied to a point, don't finance stuff you have no way to pay for should a rainy day come.

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Take a close look...

Then defend the corporate control of your politicians...

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Politicians funding is well known, I suppose some people who don't know how to read a website would benefit but the contributors are well known and readily available for any politician you are interested in.

It would be really funny to see Obama out railing against corporate fat cats and wall street bandits with a "Property of GE" or "Bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs" logos abounding his outfit. The outright hypocrisy he displays would make a nice picture.

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Nothing is guaranteed obviously, but I don't know anyone n my engineering class of 2001 that didn't either get a full-time job or go on to grad school. Cincinnati requires co-op though, so even in todays market job placement for graduating seniors isn't a huge issue.

The economic outlook was different 1994/5 relative to 2001.

In any event, I knew of plenty of engineers in the early to mid-90's who did not get hired out of school until 6 months or later after graduation, and that was all I was trying to express to mtutiger.

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Well, the woman has a point about that credit card interest. If someone is struggling due to job loss or whatever, jacking up their interest rate to usury levels is almost guaranteeing a default. I think these banks are being unwise not to make any attempt to work it out with them.

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Well, the woman has a point about that credit card interest. If someone is struggling due to job loss or whatever, jacking up their interest rate to usury levels is almost guaranteeing a default. I think these banks are being unwise not to make any attempt to work it out with them.

That's a great point. There should be some sort of regulation against the ridiculous interest rates. For the sake of the ignorant, they should not be taking out credit cards with rates like that, and sure as hell not using the card when they have little or no income. There is no coming back from that kind of debt.

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The economic outlook was different 1994/5 relative to 2001.

In any event, I knew of plenty of engineers in the early to mid-90's who did not get hired out of school until 6 months or later after graduation, and that was all I was trying to express to mtutiger.

I started my engineering program in '96 and, in general, the job situation then was tons better in electrical engineering at that time than it was in 2001 when I graduated. But again, the job situation at UC isn't reflective of the job situation for people graduating from traditional 4 year programs.

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I tell kids to follow their hearts and not their pocketbooks. Do what you love to do and you will be wealthy. I think that the opportunty in this country, in spite of the economy, is virtually boundless, if people would look within for the answers rather than at anybody but themselves. Doing that is the start to reversing even the most dire of circumstances that I have read from the people posting their situations online.

Honestly I think this is terrible advice. This is what leads people to take out tons of student loans in college programs that have little chance at paying off in the end.

I love playing video games. I'm not going to get wealthy playing video games. I love sports. Sports are not going to make me wealthy.

I'm really good at math and have very good computer skills, but I don't love either of those things.

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That's a great point. There should be some sort of regulation against the ridiculous interest rates. For the sake of the ignorant, they should not be taking out credit cards with rates like that, and sure as hell not using the card when they have little or no income. There is no coming back from that kind of debt.

Yep, and the credit card companies go after them very young to try and get them hhoked before they even know what they are getting themselves into. My son, college age, gets at least 1 offer for a credit card every week. Now my daughter, a college freshman is getting them too.

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That's a great point. There should be some sort of regulation against the ridiculous interest rates. For the sake of the ignorant, they should not be taking out credit cards with rates like that, and sure as hell not using the card when they have little or no income. There is no coming back from that kind of debt.

That's the thing, though. If I had to guess, this woman probably used the credit when it was a lower interest rate and she had a job. In the months preceding the new credit card regulations, many credit cards jacked up the interest rates ahead of the law taking effect. Or if she had one late payment, the penalty interest kicks in.

I don't know how it works now, but at one time you could contact the bank and they would suspend the account and work out a fixed payment schedule at a reasonable interest rate. I don't think many places are doing this any longer.

One thing good that has come out of the credit crunch and economy is that some stores are again offering layaway. This service had gone away because they wanted you using their store cards and paying them interest. But since so few can afford credit these days, they've come around back to layaway as a method of increasing sales.

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