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  1. 1. Who's at fault?

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Who's at fault? Which side do you think has caused more of this? Will you continue to spend money on the NFL, through games and merchandise following this? For how long will it leave a bad taste in your mouth?

Owners, no.. i already cancelled my directv and nfl sunday ticket for next year. If the season goes by the wayside, it will leave a bad taste for a while... a few years at least.

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I fault the players at this point because decertification is a sham. They have played this game twice before, won, and immediately formed a union again. I truly hope the court does not allow it to happen a third time.

The premise of suing for complete financial information of private companies is excessive since one of the teams is a publicly owned company. I believe investor information must be made available, which can be used to accurately estimate all revenue streams not attached to the local market. FWIW, the Packers only made $9 mil in 2010 as one of the iconic franchises in the league. They may not have a fancy stadium to generate revenue, but they also do not have excessive stadium debt payments either.

It took me several years to warm back up to MLB after '94 and I'm quickly approaching that level of distaste for the entire NFL.

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Lets get some things straight, a lot of players aren't spoiled. There are a lot of players who are not millionaires who have to find work when their careers are over in the NFL. The Peyton Manning's and Tom Brady's and Matthew Stafford's are set for life. There's also hundreds of players who don't make that kind of money and become disabled and struggle to make a living after football. Those are the players the union is fighting for. Like that former Bears player who just committed suicide.

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Lets get some things straight, a lot of players aren't spoiled. There are a lot of players who are not millionaires who have to find work when their careers are over in the NFL. The Peyton Manning's and Tom Brady's and Matthew Stafford's are set for life. There's also hundreds of players who don't make that kind of money and become disabled and struggle to make a living after football. Those are the players the union is fighting for. Like that former Bears player who just committed suicide.

That is incorrect. It has been shown time and time again that the player's union is not interested in helping retired players, they are only looking out for their members, which is active players.

Neither side seems overly interested in helping retired players.

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I am sure there is enough blame for both sides but I personally hold the players 100% responsible. Greed. How much is enough?? The owners all ready risk their own money and should expect a fair return for their investment. When the AFL-CIO president said "that the common man supports the players", I began siding with the owners immediately. Sorry, I do not support someone making a minimum of $300K - $20M/yr wanting more so I can pay $150 a ticket to watch the Lions lose.

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The owners run the business (a $9 billion business). Any work stoppage is their fault. They signed the last agreement, no one made them do it. If they're spending too much money on player salaries, they are free to not sign the players for as much money as they do, no one forces them to do it.

How anyone ever sides with the owners in any sports labor dispute is beyond me.

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The owners wouldn't profit off of the teams if they didn't get stadiums paid with our tax dollars. I have no sympathy for them, especially after the dispicible guilt tripping that the Jaguars' owner has been pulling on residents here since I moved down here. I hope they lose a shitload of money and the NFL goes belly up.

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I slightly side with the players but not enough to really fight the cause one way or the other.

I really don't care what is happening right now. I don't really follow it minus what I hear by accident. It won't impact me until actual games are lost. I don't even care if training camp is shortened and two games are lost during training camp or something like that. Even if that happens and there's a season, I really don't care about all this stuff right now.

And if both sides don't care enough to get at least the regular season started on time, even if some of the non-season stuff is lost, then I don't need to care about the season anyway. The people that should care the most don't, so why should I? I'll miss the Lions if they aren't playing, but I certainly can find something else to do - maybe go to all of CMU's Saturday games.

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Sixty percent of revenues. Name another business where employees get 60% of revenues. The owners have every right to demand thier costs be covered before the players get 1 cent. And showing the players 10 years of full financial records is ridiculous. Im a business owner and if an employee told me he wanted to see my books or he was striking Id fire him on the spot. Everyone is replaceable, except the guy who takes all the financial risk and signs the payroll.

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Sixty percent of revenues. Name another business where employees get 60% of revenues. The owners have every right to demand thier costs be covered before the players get 1 cent. And showing the players 10 years of full financial records is ridiculous. Im a business owner and if an employee told me he wanted to see my books or he was striking Id fire him on the spot. Everyone is replaceable, except the guy who takes all the financial risk and signs the payroll.

Your business and the NFL bear little resemblance to each other, no offense. Unless you operate in a monopoly, which I doubt. "60% of revenue" considering half the argument is over what "revenue" is. Moreover, the owners take a billion dollars before that 60% is even counted. And now they want to take another billion.

If players are too rich, I have a novel solution: don't sign them to huge contracts. Done and done.

I love that the judge put the smackdown on the owners. Serves those greedy, arrogant, SOBs right. I'm going to enjoy watching the owners go into the eighth circuit and argue to one of the most pro-business circuits in the land that they need to take steps to strengthen the players union and send this all to the NLRB.

Just settle the damn thing and get back to making billions of dollars for yourselves.

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Whoops, would like to retract my vote... I side with the players, clicked on them and then realized the question was "Who was at fault?"

I did the same thing Ed...

The only way you can say that the players make too much money is if you first say that the owners make too much money off of football. A football player is no different than an actor, a mutual fund manager or a CEO. They get paid lots and lots of money because by them being employed their employers make even more money. That's the end of the story. The owners use very fuzzy math when they start bringing up labor grievances. I remember a few years ago when Wayne Huizenga was trying complaining about how little the Marlins made he took out the revenue of the parking lot and put it into the Dolphins numbers to make it worse then it was(which it was and always will be in Miami...worst fans in the world). Don't believe the 60% stat just because it's what the owners claim. If it was true they'd open their books up but they have yet to do so.

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