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If the Pistons want to move Rip, they probably have to do something like Washington just did. Trade an awful contract for another awful one.

I suppose its not totally impossible someone gives you cap space for him. But I wouldn't wait around for it to happen. I don't think Danny Ferry has a GM job anymore.

Trading him for another awful contract would be better than keeping him here. Gordon needs to play 35 minutes a night. I would just want the Pistons to get a contract in return with the same amount of years left, or less. Elton Brand might be option. Baron Davis would be another one. Those are the two that come to mind off the top of my head.

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Trading him for another awful contract would be better than keeping him here. Gordon needs to play 35 minutes a night. I would just want the Pistons to get a contract in return with the same amount of years left, or less. Elton Brand might be option. Baron Davis would be another one. Those are the two that come to mind off the top of my head.

I agree somewhat. But it depends if it creates another problem at a different position or not.

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I agree somewhat. But it depends if it creates another problem at a different position or not.

I thought about this but I don't see how this is possible. We are desperate for a big guy so there is no issue there. Stuckey can't possibly complain if we were to trade for a point guard. He would be better as a combo guard off the bench anyways. If we traded for a small forward, that might be an issue for a short time but Tayshaun should be on his way out by the deadline.

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I thought about this but I don't see how this is possible. We are desperate for a big guy so there is no issue there. Stuckey can't possibly complain if we were to trade for a point guard. He would be better as a combo guard off the bench anyways. If we traded for a small forward, that might be an issue for a short time but Tayshaun should be on his way out by the deadline.

The PG will be old, why play him in front of Stuckey? The C would be old, why play him in front of Monroe? The SF would be old, why play him in front of Daye? See where I am going?

I am fine swapping bad deals. But not if it costs our young guys the PT they desperately need. Especially if they are older guys who dont fit into future plans.

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Can't say I blame Rip for being upset. They traded his best friend for AI which landed Rip on the bench, disaster. Joe wastes the free agent money a year to soon causing a log jam at multiple positions, disaster. Joe continues to hire coaches who are in over their heads (Curry and Kuester), disaster. Rip has a right to be upset with how quickly this team has fallen apart.

However, as a multimillion dollar athlete, he cannot be quitting in games and on this team. He sounds like he is going to man up and accept this role (just like he did when AI got here) but I doubt he remains happy if they keep losing with him coming off the bench. Rip is one of my favorite players so seeing this is frustrating but it's on everyone in the organization right now.

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The PG will be old, why play him in front of Stuckey? The C would be old, why play him in front of Monroe? The SF would be old, why play him in front of Daye? See where I am going?

I am fine swapping bad deals. But not if it costs our young guys the PT they desperately need. Especially if they are older guys who dont fit into future plans.

Haven't you been pining for Stuckey to be a third guard for the last two years?

The questions you are asking are the wrong questions. Monroe is not going to create havoc if he comes of the bench. Neither is Daye. Stuckey might but I think it would be tough for him to create trouble given the way things have played out. And he is not stuck here two more years like Rip is.

Edit: I just went back and re-read your post. If this is about playing time, the only young player this is an issue with for me is Monroe. But if we are really that concerned about his playing time, we can always just slash the minutes of Wallace, Maxiell, and CV. As far as Stuckey's minutes go, do you really think cutting his minutes is going to hinder his development as our point guard?

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Haven't you been pining for Stuckey to be a third guard for the last two years?

The questions you are asking are the wrong questions. Monroe is not going to create havoc if he comes of the bench. Neither is Daye. Stuckey might but I think it would be tough for him to create trouble given the way things have played out. And he is not stuck here two more years like Rip is.

Edit: I just went back and re-read your post. If this is about playing time, the only young player this is an issue with for me is Monroe. But if we are really that concerned about his playing time, we can always just slash the minutes of Wallace, Maxiell, and CV. As far as Stuckey's minutes go, do you really think cutting his minutes is going to hinder his development as our point guard?

No I dont think Stuckey will ever be good. But I know for a fact he has a better shot at being around in 5 years compared to some 30+ year old guy you bring in on a bad deal.

Get young, get bad, get good. Thats how you rebuild. There shouldn't be one player on this roster over 25 that sees any type of PT.

If you can bring in an older PF with the same length contract as Rip, fine. Mostly because they have no young talent at the 4. But bringing in someone like Baron Davis is insane. As much as I dislike Stuckey, I would rather go with young talent in that situation.

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No I dont think Stuckey will ever be good. But I know for a fact he has a better shot at being around in 5 years compared to some 30+ year old guy you bring in on a bad deal.

Get young, get bad, get good. Thats how you rebuild. There shouldn't be one player on this roster over 25 that sees any type of PT.

If you can bring in an older PF with the same length contract as Rip, fine. Mostly because they have no young talent at the 4. But bringing in someone like Baron Davis is insane. As much as I dislike Stuckey, I would rather go with young talent in that situation.

Baron Davis was just one name I threw out. I don't know what he is doing as a player this year. But I would just ask you this. If you don't believe Stuckey is part of the solution, why even worry about a veteran replacing him?

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Baron Davis was just one name I threw out. I don't know what he is doing as a player this year. But I would just ask you this. If you don't believe Stuckey is part of the solution, why even worry about a veteran replacing him?

Because I'm a gambler and I play the percentages.

An older veteran has no shot of being around when/if they start winning. So why waste the time/money on him?

Now, I agree Stuckey probably will never be anything more then what he is right now. But there is that tiny little chance he could wake up one day and just get it and become a really good PG. The odds of that actually happening are almost zero. But they are still better than that older veteran being around in a few years.

If you wanted to replace Stuckey with someone around his same age, I would agree with you in a heartbeat.

I'm even fine bringing in multiple players at the same position if they are roughly the same age. Let them compete for playing time. Makes them and the team better. But this young vs old stuff has to stop. It does nothing to help the team and it mostly hurts the future development of the organization.

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Because I'm a gambler and I play the percentages.

An older veteran has no shot of being around when/if they start winning. So why waste the time/money on him?

Now, I agree Stuckey probably will never be anything more then what he is right now. But there is that tiny little chance he could wake up one day and just get it and become a really good PG. The odds of that actually happening are almost zero. But they are still better than that older veteran being around in a few years.

If you wanted to replace Stuckey with someone around his same age, I would agree with you in a heartbeat.

I'm even fine bringing in multiple players at the same position if they are roughly the same age. Let them compete for playing time. Makes them and the team better. But this young vs old stuff has to stop. It does nothing to help the team and it mostly hurts the future development of the organization.

If that is how you feel, then I can only appeal to your sense that maybe Gordon has more of a future than Stuckey so it would be better for Stuckey to lose that chance then Gordon. In my mind though, Stuckey would not really be losing his chance if we brought in a veteran point guard; he would merely be moved into a role more suited to his ability. And as a third guard, he should still receive more than enough minutes.

I can also assure you that Pistons will not be trading Rip for some young player so the only other option is to cut him.

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If that is how you feel, then I can only appeal to your sense that maybe Gordon has more of a future than Stuckey so it would be better for Stuckey to lose that chance then Gordon. In my mind though, Stuckey would not really be losing his chance if we brought in a veteran point guard; he would merely be moved into a role more suited to his ability. And as a third guard, he should still receive more than enough minutes.

I can also assure you that Pistons will not be trading Rip for some young player so the only other option is to cut him.

Well, as much as I would love it. I have given up on the dream of him coming off the bench. He isn't going to sign this summer to be a backup. Plus, the money he will get you don't really want him as a backup. So if they extend him, thats your PG for the next 5 years.

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As seamless as his transition was when he was traded from Washington to Detroit nine years ago, he has had trouble dealing with the Pistons' present transition.

Wow to read that article one would think that Rip is holding the Kuester led, Dumars engineered transition back. What a joke.

Having said that, Dumars should be on the phone trying to trade anybody he can. This isn't a roster where anybody would say that the Pistons have some nice starting pieces based on talent or system they are building. It's just a mish mash of pieces.

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And his post-game comment was "I just wanted to come out and make a statement."

Great. What was the statement? "I can do this whenever I want, but I just chose to play hard tonight to prove to you all that I still got it." Yeah, that helps us think better of how hard you try on a nightly basis.

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And his post-game comment was "I just wanted to come out and make a statement."

Great. What was the statement? "I can do this whenever I want, but I just chose to play hard tonight to prove to you all that I still got it." Yeah, that helps us think better of how hard you try on a nightly basis.

I'm not sure he played any harder last night than any other night. He just seemed to really click with TMac and was getting the ball in the spots he likes.

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I'm not sure he played any harder last night than any other night. He just seemed to really click with TMac and was getting the ball in the spots he likes.

I think there's something to this, Stuckey doesn't hide the fact that he doesn't like Rip and I am pretty sure he was the team source in the original article. Not playing with a point guard that hates you and isn't a good passer anyways probably isn't great for your stats, especially when your game is so dependent on them to get you the ball.

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