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Tuesday of this week, Lynn Henning said ( I know , I know ) on Tim Staudt's radio show on WVFN , He thought the possibility of the Tigers acquiring a 3B or SS this Spring was good.

He stated it could take through Spring Training to make a move but He thought it could happen.

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I guess I don't understand what you're saying here. I'm dumb for stating the obvious? Please clarify your use of this unfunny meme for the rest of the class.

No he's not saying you're dumb...there is a funny exchange in the movie and he's using it as a reference to our chances of signing Beltre...check out the link...hilarious.

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Adrian Beltre's 3b Defense: Fine wine, or unwrapped leftovers? - Athletics Nation

Beltre is clearly the best third baseman I’ve ever seen in person,” said Tampa Bay Rays manager Joe Maddon. “I think Evan Longoria is good, I used to think Scott Brosius was really good. …Eric Chavez was good, but Beltre was stupid good. I think Beltre is the best who I’ve ever seen with my two eyes – defender, not just third baseman, but defense.”

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When is the last time a team re-signed a player to play a position .. only to later sign another player to play the same position -- upgrade, and trade the first player that was signed ... I would just love to know if this has ever happened.

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I believe that players signed as free agents during the free agency period are not eligible to be traded until May of the upcoming season (might be a way to end around that via PTBNL).

Neither Inge nor Peralta have any sort of restriction as both were signed prior to free agency. They can be traded away any time, at least until Inge's 10/5 rights kick in near the end of the upcoming season.

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I believe that players signed as free agents during the free agency period are not eligible to be traded until May of the upcoming season (might be a way to end around that via PTBNL).

Neither Inge nor Peralta have any sort of restriction as both were signed prior to free agency. They can be traded away any time, at least until Inge's 10/5 rights kick in near the end of the upcoming season.

Where did you come up with this?

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When is the last time a team re-signed a player to play a position .. only to later sign another player to play the same position -- upgrade, and trade the first player that was signed ... I would just love to know if this has ever happened.

I'm still waiting...

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Yeah, I don't know how one could even go about finding that out without having some sort of searchable database of all trades transactions in the history of the game.

The only thing that comes to mind immediately is that the Tigers looked to trade Inge after the 1st year of a 4 year deal after happily landing Miguel Cabrera. They didn't find any takers, but they certainly tried. Not the same thing, of course. Sign-and-trades it seems are more prevalent in other pro sports, esp the NBA, than in MLB.

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I do agree with what you seem to be implying that if Henning's on the right track and the Tigers acquire another left side infielder, either Inge or Peralta should be traded. And if you strip away their names and just look at the players, I think you keep Peralta (who can play shortstop (bad shortstop) and 3B (not quite as bad), if only because of his position flexibility and Peralta being 6 years younger than Inge, but maybe also because Peralta might have a few more .750-.800 OPS seasons in him.

I'm not a Peralta fan at all, at least not for the Tigers, he should've gone to St Louis. Perhaps the Cardinals could be enticed into trading for him should the Tigers somehow land an upgrade at shortstop.

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If the Tigers do somehow pick up another left-side infielder this off-season, it's likely they'll be looking at another $3-$5 mil in salary for even a 2.0 WAR player and possibly having to trade away players.

So you're allocating $8-$10 mil to either SS or 3B--but you can only bad (ha, slip, i mean bat) these 2 guys 600 times a season combined. You don't add together WAR's for 2 guys playing the same position. So you're paying $10 mil to get 2.0 WAR production out of one of those positions?

Signing Beltre for $14 to $15 mil per starts to look like a good deal

Heck, you'd have been better off signing Juan Uribe for $7 mil a season and then you'd have a a 3.0 WAR player who is a plus defender at 2B/3B/SS.

Then you could've gone out and acquired a 2B (Uggla) and/or ss and/or 3B and played Uribe at any of those positions.

Henning or some reporter should ask Dombrowski if he would've been so quick to re-up Inge and Peralta had he known (or thought it highly probable) that Uggla would be traded relatively painlessly, Beltre would have trouble finding a deal, teams like the rangers/rockies/brewers would be looking to move infielders.

Didn't realize Alcides Escobar was on the outs with the Brewers and available to be traded for. He'd have been a nice solution at shortstop for the Tigers.

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Detroit Tigers. Granted, they’re running out of places to move Brandon Inge and they’ve already spent on Victor Martinez, Joaquin Benoit, Magglio Ordonez and Jhonny Peralta. But, the possibility is there.

That is some stellar analysis right there. "The possibility is there." Insightful!

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If the Tigers do somehow pick up another left-side infielder this off-season, it's likely they'll be looking at another $3-$5 mil in salary for even a 2.0 WAR player and possibly having to trade away players.

So you're allocating $8-$10 mil to either SS or 3B--but you can only bad (ha, slip, i mean bat) these 2 guys 600 times a season combined. You don't add together WAR's for 2 guys playing the same position. So you're paying $10 mil to get 2.0 WAR production out of one of those positions?

Signing Beltre for $14 to $15 mil per starts to look like a good deal

Heck, you'd have been better off signing Juan Uribe for $7 mil a season and then you'd have a a 3.0 WAR player who is a plus defender at 2B/3B/SS.

Then you could've gone out and acquired a 2B (Uggla) and/or ss and/or 3B and played Uribe at any of those positions.

Henning or some reporter should ask Dombrowski if he would've been so quick to re-up Inge and Peralta had he known (or thought it highly probable) that Uggla would be traded relatively painlessly, Beltre would have trouble finding a deal, teams like the rangers/rockies/brewers would be looking to move infielders.

Didn't realize Alcides Escobar was on the outs with the Brewers and available to be traded for. He'd have been a nice solution at shortstop for the Tigers.

No thanks on getting Uggla first of all. We'd have had to give up a couple good prospects and then give him a huge extension too. I couldn't have lived with that personally. I don't see Uggla as a good value going forward, his D is already questionable(passable at this piont though for his offense) and likely to decline and straight power guys decline quite often at his age. It's the type of extension you guys would normally kill DD for.

Escobar, he was not going anywhere unless we were dealing a guy like Verlander or Scherzer. He was a must give to get Greinke,so they bit the bullet.

Uribe is not the defender you are making him out to be. He's a capable defender in a pinch at all of those positions, not a plus at any of them. He's Jhonny Peralta v.2 basically, though JP is a better SS. Uribe hit better last year, but I think it's unlikely to be repeated, especially in the AL where everything is tougher. If you let Jhonny go instead of re-upping him before FA started, you risk not getting either him or Uribe potentially.

Beltre is a guy I'd have loved to have and I now wish we hadn't kept Inge, but it was a long shot and I'm not sure they are willing to spend another 15 mil on payroll now. I think it was either Beltre or Inge/Maggs as a package, as that's what the money adds up to.

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Translation:

According to reports José Luis Montilla Piodeportes.com portal, Dominican third baseman Adrian Beltre reached an agreement for 96 million over six years with the Texas Rangers, according to sources which remain anonymous, the signing took place near the early today.

The firm may be making official until it has completed the review of rigor (Physical).

Source: piodeportes.com

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I'm still holding out hope that he still might want cheat himself out of a ton of money by just signing a 1 year contract with us!!!

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When is the last time a team re-signed a player to play a position .. only to later sign another player to play the same position -- upgrade, and trade the first player that was signed ... I would just love to know if this has ever happened.

Not a signing, but the Yankees picked up Mike Lamb to be a 3B and then traded for A-rod that same offseason, and then they had to hurry up and trade him. This was the offseason before 2004.

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In a somewhat surprising move, Beltre has turned down the Tigers’ non existent-one year offer in favor of a $96mm contract.

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In a somewhat surprising move, Beltre has turned down the Tigers’ non existent-one year offer in favor of a $96mm contract.
What a damned fool.

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Wow, Angels fans must really be going nuts. If there was a team that needed Beltre more than the Angels, I haven't heard of them. Maybe in the Korean league or something...

In other news, there is a rainbow over Brandon Wood's house.

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The Angels' front office is a bunch of *****-***-bitches. They've got a huge market, the ability to have a big payroll, and yet they lose on every single free agent that they need in recent years except Hunter.

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