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Sign Beltre to a 1 year deal, which would upgrade the offense/defense and do so without trading away any prospects with the likelihood of getting multiple draft picks back after that year is up? Nah, makes too much sense.

Beltre weighs options while Angels wait - MLB - Yahoo! Sports

The Boston Red Sox, of course, are quite crowded on the corners, given the Adrian Gonzalez and Crawford acquisitions, so have moved on. The Chicago White Sox appear to have spent themselves out on Adam Dunn, Paul Konerko and A.J. Pierzynski. Other teams that could use Beltre – Colorado, Arizona and Florida – aren’t spendy like that. The Toronto Blue Jays didn’t appear interested, and then signed Edwin Encarnacion.

So, beyond the Angels and the A’s, here’s what – in our opinion – still could make sense:

• Texas Rangers. Reports had them moving third baseman Michael Young – to Colorado, to first base, to DH – in order for them to make a play on Beltre, particularly now that the Cliff Lee experience is over. Trading Young won’t be easy, however. He has three years and $48 million left on his contract. A partial no-trade provision in the contract provides he can be dealt to only eight teams, among them the Angels, Dodgers, Cardinals and Rockies. Lastly, Young loves Dallas and won’t want to leave. Still, the Rangers are worth the thought, because they think big, even with all these moving parts.

• San Francisco Giants. Yes, we know: Pablo Sandoval. He’s working out, getting trim, reversing all the stuff that made him irrelevant last season. It’s a terrible time to trade him, given what his value must be, and the Giants carry themselves like they’re running out of money. But they still need offense. Maybe Adam Jones had it right, just not the orange and black he was thinking about.

• St. Louis Cardinals. They’re waiting on David Freese, a good player who is expected to recover from ankle surgery in time for spring training and be ready to play third base. They might also be looking at the last season of Albert Pujols, after which they could move Freese to first and have four more years of Beltre. It’s just a thought.

• Detroit Tigers. Granted, they’re running out of places to move Brandon Inge and they’ve already spent on Victor Martinez, Joaquin Benoit, Magglio Ordonez and Jhonny Peralta. But, the possibility is there.

At the end of the day, the Angels remain the club that lines up closest with Beltre, who found happiness and production in the great baseball climate that is Boston. Anaheim isn’t Boston, exactly, but it’s not Seattle either.

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I don't think it'll happen.

and because this is the year of "I didn't think that would happen", we'll have him signed in a week.

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I also do not think it will happen.

......................But if it does, I'll go from "very unhappy" about this off-season to "Quite pleased and content".

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there is a 0% chance the Detroit Tigers sign Adrian Beltre.

I think there is less than that. LF or 2B, that's the only positional changes that might happen.

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At the beginning of the FA season, Beltre wanted 4 years. Not sure if he has gone down from that number either. Someone will give him 4 years.

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Adrian Beltre

Adrian Beltre-3B- Red Sox Dec. 18 - 9:31 am et

The Los Angeles Times' Mike DiGiovanna reports that the Angels' offer to Adrian Beltre is for five years and around $70 million.

DiGiovanna adds that the Halos are not likely to increase the offer even though Beltre reportedly is wanting a six-year, $90 million contract. It's really hard to see him getting much more than what the Angels are dangling in front of him, even in this market. Beltre would be 37 in the last season of a five-year deal, so giving him an additional year would be awfully risky. The Angels are the odds-on favorite to land him at this point.

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I would like the idea if they didn't jump so quickly to re-sign Inge. Otherwise, spend the remaining dollars on pitching, especially a starting option or two.

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I doubt he'd be interested in a 1 year deal. He's looking for long term after resurrecting his career with a 1 year deal last year.

Problem is, the market for 3B is fairly tepid this off-season, while it's likely to be better next off-season. For whatever reason (travel? ballparks? chances of winning?), Beltre appears not to want to play for an AL West team. If he's already crossed the A's Oakland mausoleum and Mariner's bermuda triangle for hitters parks off his list of places to play, why go to a team like the Angels which plays a bunch of games at those parks. And Beltre probably enjoyed batting in the Red Sox lineup (tho he usually hit 6th or 7th) and isn't thrilled by the prospect of being part of the Angels anemic offense, esp since they missed out on Crawford.

I'm thinking someone--white sox, giants, whomever--could land Beltre with another 1 year with an option year deal like the Red Sox did.

Aramis comes off the Cubs books after this year. Bautista's off the Blue Jays after next year ( I think) and Chipper might finally be done playing for the Braves after 2011. Angels and A's will likely still be as interested this season as last.

Tigers could conceivably find themselves in the market for a 3B after 2011, if Inge's defense declines any more, at some point, it's not worth it to give Inge 600 at-bats @ 3B (usually one of your top 4 hitters, if not top 2 on many teams) in your lineup if he's just a middle of the pack defender.

Red Sox might even change their mind on Youk @3B and re-jigger their fielding and bring back Beltre after 2011.

Beltre could be just the player the White Sox need to bat in front of (or after) Konerko and Dunn. That could be a potent 3/4/5.

Beltre still gets his $15-$16 mil in 2011 and, I think, he's more likely to get 4 years next off-season than 5 years this off-season. Teams, for whatever reason, hand out 4 year deals like it's nothing (Tigers-V-Mart, White Sox-Dunn) but are gun-shy about offering that 5th year.

At the end of it all, he still gets his dream contract of 5 years, $15 mil+ per, 1 now + 4 after 2011. Whereas if he does 4 years this off-season and then 1 year after that, that 5th year might be less.

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I would like the idea if they didn't jump so quickly to re-sign Inge. Otherwise, spend the remaining dollars on pitching, especially a starting option or two.

Are there starting pitchers out there who are that much of an upgrade who won't cost prospects in trade? Signing Beltre only costs money and the Tigers 2nd round draft pick (projected to be 72nd pick overall). So the Tigers might miss out on the next Laird or Inge (both of whom were 2nd round picks, the same year, I believe) and have to wait til #102 to select in the upcoming draft. They'd likely get 2 picks back, a 1st rounder and a comp round pick, if Beltre walks after the 1st year.

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I don't know exactly what Beltre has on the table from Anahiem, but it's certainly a pretty nice multi-year offer. If it is 5/$70MM, as reported... or even if it is 5/$55MM, I don't see why he'd turn that down for a 1 year deal. I wouldn't.

Look at it this way, he's not young anymore. He's coming off a pretty monster season. It's kind of a now or never deal. It's very risky to take another 1-year deal. A slump or injury could really harm his value for next off season. But more than that, at this age, if a suitable 5-year deal isn't waiting for him now, it's even more unlikely it will be there next year.

He's just posturing for more, and that's how this game is played. I expect him to sign a hefty contract fairly soon.

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As unlikely as this would be, if they do make a move for Beltre, I hope they have an idea on where they want to send Inge. They really can't keep him on the bench. He'll be a huge malcontent, and I'd hardly blame him if he was. Having just re-signed him, it's a bit disingenuous to stick in him on the bench or utility role before the season begins. I don't know what kind of market there would be, and this whole thing seems far fetched to me.

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As unlikely as this would be, if they do make a move for Beltre, I hope they have an idea on where they want to send Inge. They really can't keep him on the bench. He'll be a huge malcontent, and I'd hardly blame him if he was. Having just re-signed him, it's a bit disingenuous to stick in him on the bench or utility role before the season begins. I don't know what kind of market there would be, and this whole thing seems far fetched to me.

He might be hard to trade. You can imagine him putting out that he'd rather just retire. And he probably would believe it at the point he said it.

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He might be hard to trade. You can imagine him putting out that he'd rather just retire. And he probably would believe it at the point he said it.

I don't know if he'd do that, hard to see someone leave $10MM on the table. I think if you find him a starting 3B job somewhere, he'd go willingly... but clearly there is going to be bad blood. I really doubt the Tigers contemplate this.

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He wouldn't necessarily be looking for a 5 year next year, rather a 4 year at max value.

Beltre was 5th in MLB in WAR behind Hamilton/Votto/Pujols/Zimmerman in 2010. Ahead of Crawford and Werth.

If Beltre signs a 1 year $15-$16 mil deal this year (with an option year, I suppose, to protect against an injury/slump year) and duplicates his 2010 production, he could find himself one the most sought after non-pitcher free agents next off-season (provided Pujols and Laird stay with St Louis) and sign a 4 year/$80 mil contract next off-season, esp with high payroll clubs like the Braves/Cubs/Jays/possibly even the Red|White Sox in the market for a 3B next season.

Boras is Beltre's agent. If Boras thinks there's a decent chance he can get $90-100 mil overall for those 5 seasons by splitting it up 1 +4, why let Beltre go for $70 mil this off-season?

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(provided Pujols and Laird stay with St Louis)

Very good!

I still don't see Beltre having to settle for another 1-year showcase deal. And if he does, I think a return to Boston would be much more likely than a move to Detroit.

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I don't understand why Inge can't play second. The guy is mobile, quick on his feet and gets good position on the baseball when fielding; isn't that what you want out of a second basemen?

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I think a return to Boston for Beltre would be more likely after the 2011 season. Ortiz' contract is up then and they could move Gonzalez and/or Youkilis into the DH role (or they platoon 1B/DH). Red Sox fans wanted Youkilis moved to the outfield and Beltre brought back, but I think that was pre-Crawford.

the way Boston is going, they'll probably sign Fielder to be their full-time DH next season and bring back Beltre.

But that could be another factor favoring Boras shopping Beltre on a 1 year deal this off-season, the chance to get the Red Sox bidding on Beltre against the Cubs/Braves/whomever else next off-season.

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With Cabrera ranging over to steal grounders hit directly at the Tigers various second basemen, they maybe don't even need one.

Inge pre-surgery probably had the wheels to get to pop ups in foul territory and shallow RF from 2B, but overall I think a 2B has the most territory to cover of any of the infield positions--esp when the 1B is holding a runner on and the second baseman is cheating toward the bag at 2B to cover a steal and they have to field anything hit to their left.

I thought I read somewhere that the defensive metrics for the last couple seasons indicate a decline in Inge's movement/plays to his left. Might be why he cheats off the 3B line so far and gives up those doubles that guys like Mauer seem to have nose for when playing against the Tigers. Mauer will hit foul grounder after foul grounder Inge's way, trying to squeeze one down the line, and Inge doesn't adjust at all.

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Inge would make a great super-sub, but the whiney little bugger will be our third sacker on Opening Day.

Hilarious!

I was truly hoping the Tigers would let inge walk this year and make a serious attempt to sign Beltre. But, yes, the "whiney little bugger" did manage a somewhat adequate season at the plate in '10 and he seems to have put his knee issues behind him.

It would have been tremendous fun to contemplate, Ordonez, Miggy, V-Mart, and Beltre in the middle of the line-up ....but.... :ermm: ..... oh well

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I never understood why they went the Peralta/Inge route instead of throwing all that cash at Beltre and letting Santiago play short. Defensively they would have been great and offensively would have had a big bat to smother around Cabrera.

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