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Something has to give with the guard situation. I hope someone signs Stuckey to an offer sheet and Joe lets em walk, he is not the solution, time for him and Rip to go.

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Something has to give with the guard situation. I hope someone signs Stuckey to an offer sheet and Joe lets em walk, he is not the solution, time for him and Rip to go.

We can move Stuckey to SG. Hopefully find a way to get rid of Rip. That would leave us with a backcourt of:

Knight, Bynum

Stuckey, Gordon

They will be an awful defensive backcourt but they will have the ability to score.

I am really hoping we can sign/trade Tayshaun for a center and put out a lineup of:

Knight/Bynum

Stuckey/Gordon

Daye/Singler

Monroe/Jonas/CV/Maxiell

New Guy

(in addition to fillers)

Lets just suck for another couple years and keep getting young players to build around (while hopefully dumping older guys). Not much else we can do at this point with attracting free agents.

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I have no interest in Stuckey playing the 2. He is undersized at the 2 and HE CANT SHOOT. What good is a shooting guard that cant shoot? Show me a team with Stuckey starting at either PG or SG and I will show you a bad NBA team. He cant come off the bench in Detroit, because he still thinks he is a superstar. Let em walk.

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I have no interest in Stuckey playing the 2. He is undersized at the 2 and HE CANT SHOOT. What good is a shooting guard that cant shoot? Show me a team with Stuckey starting at either PG or SG and I will show you a bad NBA team. He cant come off the bench in Detroit, because he still thinks he is a superstar. Let em walk.

He is not a championship caliber starting guard. But we are not about to find that anyway. He can be a good bench player and can be a decent starter in this league as a 2. We can re-sign him for cheap, I think it is worth it. If we let him go, we will just be starting Gordon and have to sign another average backup. Also, at the very least we can re-sign him for cheap and try to move him as the season progresses. He is a player many teams would be willing to go after. The guy averaged 15pts/5assists/3rebounds/1 steal last year. And with a decent contract we could find a contender that is willing to take him. It is much better than just letting him walk.

The problem with developing Knight as a PG is that he has very little to work with. That is why we so desperately need to trade Tayshaun for a starting Center/PF who can give us some sort of post game with Monroe.

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Stuckey is not a good defender and he's undersized at the SG as well, which is why everyone keeps trying to stick him in at PG. Not to mention that he can't actually shoot. The kid has no range and requires the ball in his hands. And let's not even get into his attitude problems and the fact that you'd be pulling the job away from him again and giving it to a rookie.

I don't want to see Stuckey in a Piston uniform next season. We've drafted a guy to be the PG of the future and we already have two other SGs who are better at shooting. He's not going to be happy coming off the bench and you can't tell a guy you want him to step up and lead, then think he's going to suddenly change that mentality without griping and causing locker room trouble. He has no purpose here. It's time for him to go.

With this draft and the last one it seems that Joe is trying to get guys in here that have good character first and foremost. Monroe and Knight seem to be high IQ, high character guys. With that in mind, it's time for Joe to clean house on the attitudes and pave the way for his new coach.

All he has to do with regard to Stuckey and Tay is nothing - since they're free agents, it will take care of itself. Then get on the phones and trade Rip for a bag of balls. If you're lucky maybe you can find someone stupid enough to take CV. Once you do that, you've gotten rid of most of the guys who prefer complaining and tweeting to shutting their mouths and playing.

Even if we suck, I'm sure Piston fans will appreciate a team that just plays ball instead of the drama we endured last season.

Couldn't disagree more on Stuckey unless we get a nice sign and trade. He has a role on this team going forward IMO.

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I have no interest in Stuckey playing the 2. He is undersized at the 2 and HE CANT SHOOT. What good is a shooting guard that cant shoot? Show me a team with Stuckey starting at either PG or SG and I will show you a bad NBA team. He cant come off the bench in Detroit, because he still thinks he is a superstar. Let em walk.

OMG, shooting is in the name, it must be the only thing they have to do! Stuckey's role has never been to shoot, that doesn't mean he can't be a very good 2 guard. He can to the hole and score like nobody else on this team, he can pass well for a 2 guard, he ca defend 2 guards and he can rebound his position. Knight can shoot better than most PGs, so I think that helps neutralize Stuckey's lack of shooting too. I actually think our best backcourt for next year would be Rip and Kngiht starting with Stuckey off the bench. Get what you can for Gordon, amnesty Charlie.

IMO, you find a way to use talent. SAying STuckey could'nt play the PG spot was one thing, but now he can't play anywhere? Nonsense. He's a very good young player entering his prime. Look at all the guys on the Mavs who lacked certain qualities. What's Terry's position? What good is a 5'11 PG? J.Kidd is too slow to be a champiosnhip PG anymore, look what Tony Parker did to him last year. Marion can't handle enough to be a 3, he's an undersized 4. Not to mention Dirk and how a shooting big can't lead a team to a title.

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OMG, shooting is in the name, it must be the only thing they have to do! Stuckey's role has never been to shoot, that doesn't mean he can't be a very good 2 guard. He can to the hole and score like nobody else on this team, he can pass well for a 2 guard, he ca defend 2 guards and he can rebound his position. Knight can shoot better than most PGs, so I think that helps neutralize Stuckey's lack of shooting too. I actually think our best backcourt for next year would be Rip and Kngiht starting with Stuckey off the bench. Get what you can for Gordon, amnesty Charlie.

Also, he deserves a little credit for what he has improved. Over the last year he improved his FG%, FT%, and 3pt% significantly. If the team lets him focus on driving and not running a team, he can improve even more.

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OMG, shooting is in the name, it must be the only thing they have to do! Stuckey's role has never been to shoot, that doesn't mean he can't be a very good 2 guard. He can to the hole and score like nobody else on this team, he can pass well for a 2 guard, he ca defend 2 guards and he can rebound his position. Knight can shoot better than most PGs, so I think that helps neutralize Stuckey's lack of shooting too. I actually think our best backcourt for next year would be Rip and Kngiht starting with Stuckey off the bench. Get what you can for Gordon, amnesty Charlie.

Come on, score like no body else? Thats why he averaged 15 points? He can get to the hole, but he doesnt finish and he turns over the ball.

IMO, you find a way to use talent. SAying STuckey could'nt play the PG spot was one thing, but now he can't play anywhere? Nonsense. He's a very good young player entering his prime. Look at all the guys on the Mavs who lacked certain qualities. What's Terry's position? What good is a 5'11 PG? J.Kidd is too slow to be a champiosnhip PG anymore, look what Tony Parker did to him last year. Marion can't handle enough to be a 3, he's an undersized 4. Not to mention Dirk and how a shooting big can't lead a team to a title.

I didnt say he couldnt play anywhere, I said he cant play PG or SG with the pistons and if he was a starter for any team, that team would be bad. He is a bench player, nothing wrong with that, but its bad for the pistons.

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Also, he deserves a little credit for what he has improved. Over the last year he improved his FG%, FT%, and 3pt% significantly. If the team lets him focus on driving and not running a team, he can improve even more.

Yah, he has shown that he will work on improving IMO. I think he has improved as a PG too, I just don't htink he has certain natural skills to take the next step.

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I don't dislike the Knight pick anymore, but regarding who we could have taken #8, I still prefer Walker. I just think he's going to be a star. Knight certainly brings a lot to the table, though, at least potentially.

Singler should be a solid role guy, at least, and maybe for a long time. Honestly the pick I'm most intrigued about is Macklin. If given a chance, he could be a solid inside addition and a massive value at the end of the draft.

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Come on, score like no body else? Thats why he averaged 15 points? He can get to the hole, but he doesnt finish and he turns over the ball.

I didnt say he couldnt play anywhere, I said he cant play PG or SG with the pistons and if he was a starter for any team, that team would be bad. He is a bench player, nothing wrong with that, but its bad for the pistons.

I said he can get to the hole and score like nobody else on our roster. Have anyone in mind who's better? He doesn't finish great at the rim I know, but that doesn't mean he doesn't create a lot of easy points. He gets to the line and puts points on the board. I'd like to see him concentrate more on scoring myself and he should be able to now. He may be a backup, I can live with that, but he's a backup who plays starter minutes and is on the floor in crunch time.

i don't know where this idea of undersized for a 2 came from. Not sure if it was you who said it though.

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And lets not get carried away with saying he has improved everything significantly.

3 pt shooting: .289% this year, he shot .295 from downtown his 2nd year in the league, so that looks worse to me.

2 pt shooting: again his 2nd year in the league he shot .439% then got worse his 3rd year and got back .439 this year.

And as for the rebounding. If you look at total rebounding percentage you will notice this 7.1. 6.8, 6.5 and 6.0. He has gotten worse every year at rebounding.

He hasnt significantly gotten better at anything besides FT shooting, and this past season his scoring average and rebounding rate both declined from the previous year. Please show me where he has gotten better.

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I said he can get to the hole and score like nobody else on our roster. Have anyone in mind who's better? He doesn't finish great at the rim I know, but that doesn't mean he doesn't create a lot of easy points. He gets to the line and puts points on the board. I'd like to see him concentrate more on scoring myself and he should be able to now. He may be a backup, I can live with that, but he's a backup who plays starter minutes and is on the floor in crunch time.

i don't know where this idea of undersized for a 2 came from. Not sure if it was you who said it though.

Yeah, he is not undersized. Ray Allen is the prototypical SG and is the same EXACT height/weight. His size at the 2 spot is not a concern, it is his outside shooting/defense that is the worry. If he can develop a more consistent jump shot to compliment his driving ability he can be a solid player.

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Im shocked there is any piston fan who still thinks stuckey has potential, he is a one man black hole, his points dont come from within the offense and he makes no one else better.

So I stick with my point, get rid of him.

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And lets not get carried away with saying he has improved everything significantly.

3 pt shooting: .289% this year, he shot .295 from downtown his 2nd year in the league, so that looks worse to me.

2 pt shooting: again his 2nd year in the league he shot .439% then got worse his 3rd year and got back .439 this year.

And as for the rebounding. If you look at total rebounding percentage you will notice this 7.1. 6.8, 6.5 and 6.0. He has gotten worse every year at rebounding.

He hasnt significantly gotten better at anything besides FT shooting, and this past season his scoring average and rebounding rate both declined from the previous year. Please show me where he has gotten better.

He improved from last season to this season. He played 3 less minutes and averaged (very slightly) more assists, increased his FG% by 3 points, his FT% by 6 points and his FT% by 3 points.

It is difficult to put a lot of blame on Stuckey for me. He has played through way too many inept coaches, has been playing with divas like Rip/Tay/CV (whom he joined in the immaturity), and has been asked to play out of position his entire career. He has not been utilized properly by Joe D. or the coaches. And it is a shame because he has the physical tools to be a good player in this league. If given the chance to play with a good point guard he could be a solid player. I am hoping Knight can be that good point guard.

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Im shocked there is any piston fan who still thinks stuckey has potential, he is a one man black hole, his points dont come from within the offense and he makes no one else better.

So I stick with my point, get rid of him.

If a team asked you to be the point guard when you dont have the ability to play that role would that be your fault or the team's fault for putting you in that position? He is NOT a good point guard. He CAN be a good shooting guard.

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We need to rename the positions if Stuckey is going to play if full time. I submit, Put your head down and drive into 3 guys and throw up a wild shot without ever looking at another teammate and pray you get a call guard.

****, that name is longer than Stuckeys shooting range.

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If a team asked you to be the point guard when you dont have the ability to play that role would that be your fault or the team's fault for putting you in that position? He is NOT a good point guard. He CAN be a good shooting guard.

Stuckey isnt either, he is a combo guard who would be good off the bench, nothing more.

What do you think his ceiling is at shooting guard?

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We need to rename the positions if Stuckey is going to play if full time. I submit, Put your head down and drive into 3 guys and throw up a wild shot without ever looking at another teammate and pray you get a call guard.

****, that name is longer than Stuckeys shooting range.

I think that works just fine Del.

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Stuckey isnt either, he is a combo guard who would be good off the bench, nothing more.

What do you think his ceiling is at shooting guard?

I think he can be as productive as Ben Gordon.

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Im shocked there is any piston fan who still thinks stuckey has potential, he is a one man black hole, his points dont come from within the offense and he makes no one else better.

So I stick with my point, get rid of him.

Wow, I find this fascinating

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Wow, I find this fascinating

You disagree with each point? Are you willing to argue that he makes his teammates better and he scores within the offense?

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You disagree with each point? Are you willing to argue that he makes his teammates better and he scores within the offense?

I don't think he's a pure PG, but does he make his teammates better, I think yes. He collapses the D and is decent at making plays at that point. He gives you 5 assists with a decent A/TO ratio. Putting his head down and attacking the basket is what we ask him to do for christ's sake. I am NOT saying he's good as these guys, but I could easily say Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook are guys who can't shoot, don't make their teammates better and put their head down, attack the basket and pray for a foul. I'd argue that we have long been dying for a guy like that. Not everyone has to play like Steve Nash. Just because Stuckey is not a jump shooter people want to label him as a guy who doesn't get his poitns within the offense. He does exactly what the play called for him requires.

and the stuff about him not being a good defender or not being big enough for a SG, that's just pure nonsense. He isn't ideal to guard ultra quick PGs, true, but without any help from team D, espeically his bigs, its hard to look good. D.Rose can beat anyone one on one off the dribble, except maybe Lebron, lol. I'll take Stuckey guarding any SG in this league though. Not saying he's going to straight shut everyoen down, but he'll more than hold his own.

I'm not labelling him some superstar, but just because he's not what we might have expected doesn't mean he can't play. He's a better player than say, George Hill who just went for the 15th pick(a top 10 player who fell too) and a 2nd.

and Del, that made me LOL, haha

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