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It's a stupid move, so I'm not sure how much more insight your looking for.

We're a building team with a franchise, former #1 QB, taken only two years back. Tell you what, show me the teams that have done that .. and then taken a QB in the third round a couple of years later, and we'll discuss it from there.

How about that?

Dallas drafted Aikman #1 overall in 1989, and then spent their 1990 #1 pick by taking Steve Walsh in the 1989 supplemental draft!

But anyways.....your point is noted. But it only makes sense if Detroit still considers Stafford to be the answer. If they have concerns....then by all means be open to drafting a QB.

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Dallas drafted Aikman #1 overall in 1989, and then spent their 1990 #1 pick by taking Steve Walsh in the 1989 supplemental draft!

But anyways.....your point is noted. But it only makes sense if Detroit still considers Stafford to be the answer. If they have concerns....then by all means be open to drafting a QB.

I'm not sure where you're going with this. In retrospect, Steve Walsh obviously wasn't worth a first round pick, especially after you look at Aikman's career.

You mean this is why the Lions shouldn't take a high round QB this year, right?

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I'm not sure where you're going with this. In retrospect, Steve Walsh obviously wasn't worth a first round pick, especially after you look at Aikman's career.

You mean this is why the Lions shouldn't take a high round QB this year, right?

In retrospect.....it sure worked to draft 2 QB's at essentially the same time both in the 1st round (1st/1st 1989, and 1st/supplemental 1989 = 1st 1990) as the Cowboys won 3 Super Bowls with it. Also....I believe Dallas traded Steve Walsh after 1 1/2 years and still got a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks out of him. Of course the 1st round 1990 would have been #1 (Jeff George or Junior Seau) if they hadn't drafted Walsh......but again....not a bad risk.

I don't advocate the Lions taking a QB in the 1st 3 rounds.....but if they have questions about Stafford's health....then by all means a team can still win a Super Bowl by drafting QB's high 3 years apart.

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In retrospect.....it sure worked to draft 2 QB's at essentially the same time both in the 1st round (1st/1st 1989, and 1st/supplemental 1989 = 1st 1990) as the Cowboys won 3 Super Bowls with it. Also....I believe Dallas traded Steve Walsh after 1 1/2 years and still got a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks out of him. Of course the 1st round 1990 would have been #1 (Jeff George or Junior Seau) if they hadn't drafted Walsh......but again....not a bad risk.

I guess I KINDA see where you're coming from here, but only because the Cowboys were able to get three high picks for Walsh from New Orleans. He was only a Cowboy for one year and four games, so I don't see how you can attribute 3 Super Bowl wins to the fact that they drafted both Aikman and Walsh with No. 1 picks.

Now, in my cursory research, I've sort of struck out on who the Cowboys took with those picks they got from NO. Maybe they were solid contributors to the SB wins, but who's to say that if they had traded their #1 pick they gave up in the supplemental draft (instead of taking Walsh), that they wouldn't have gotten just as much in return?

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In retrospect.....it sure worked to draft 2 QB's at essentially the same time both in the 1st round (1st/1st 1989, and 1st/supplemental 1989 = 1st 1990) as the Cowboys won 3 Super Bowls with it. Also....I believe Dallas traded Steve Walsh after 1 1/2 years and still got a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks out of him. Of course the 1st round 1990 would have been #1 (Jeff George or Junior Seau) if they hadn't drafted Walsh......but again....not a bad risk.

I don't advocate the Lions taking a QB in the 1st 3 rounds.....but if they have questions about Stafford's health....then by all means a team can still win a Super Bowl by drafting QB's high 3 years apart.

The Cowboys wheeled and dealed in the 1991 draft as referenced in the link below.

1991 Review: Cowboys Strike Gold by Wheeling and Dealing in the 1991 Draft|Know Your Dallas Cowboys: The Blog

The Falcons selected Matt Schaub in the third round of the 2004 draft after selecting Mike Vick in the 2001 draft. Schaub was traded to Houston in 2007 with seconds in 07/08 to Atlanta and a swap of firsts in 2007.

The Chargers selected Charlie Whitehurst in the third round of the 2006 draft after trading for Phillip Rivers in the 2004 draft. Whitehurst was later spun for a third round pick in the 2011 draft and a swap of seconds in 2010.

I do not feel it hurts a franchise to draft a BPA QB and it may be a good move for the Lions to make in 2011.

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Would you take him in the 2nd round if you spent your first pick on Mark Ingram?

With the fact that the Lions have three RB's signed for next year (Best, Smith and Morris), I couldnt draft RB in the first. But I'm not in love with anybody at 13 right now. I would peel back, and might even target Young later in the first. If he were to break a 4.3 then I would have no problem drafting him at 13. I really like the Desean Jackson comps right now, and Jackson would have been drafted top 10 if teams knew how good he is.

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I guess I KINDA see where you're coming from here, but only because the Cowboys were able to get three high picks for Walsh from New Orleans. He was only a Cowboy for one year and four games, so I don't see how you can attribute 3 Super Bowl wins to the fact that they drafted both Aikman and Walsh with No. 1 picks.

Now, in my cursory research, I've sort of struck out on who the Cowboys took with those picks they got from NO. Maybe they were solid contributors to the SB wins, but who's to say that if they had traded their #1 pick they gave up in the supplemental draft (instead of taking Walsh), that they wouldn't have gotten just as much in return?

I am making the point that the Lions should definitely consider taking a value QB at any point in the 2011 draft. If their hunch is right.....it can certainly pay dividends down the road either as a 2nd string to their injury prone starter....or as a trade for more picks later on.

To answer your other question....thank you OSUROWER.....I also wanted to add that the whole shebang didn't turn out so great....as Dallas drafted Steve Walsh in the summer of 1989 and lost their 1990 1st round pick. Dallas went 1-15 in 1989 and would have had the #1 pick in that draft. But to their luck the 1990 draft turned out to be a ton of garbage outside of Junior Seau and Emmitt Smith. I am guessing Dallas felt the 1990 draft would be weak when they took Steve Walsh though.

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Here's a question to ponder. If the Lions could get an Aaron Rodgers quality QB by drafting a QB 1st in 3 drafts in a row would you do it? Not saying that Stafford isn't a quality QB but we really don't know yet. Just an interesting question.

Well, what Aaron Rodgers are you talking about? The college Aaron Rodgers who free-fell down to near the bottom of the first round? Or the Aaron Rodgers we know is a stud pro QB?

First one, probably not. Second one, every day of the week and twice on Draft Saturday.

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Well, what Aaron Rodgers are you talking about? The college Aaron Rodgers who free-fell down to near the bottom of the first round? Or the Aaron Rodgers we know is a stud pro QB?

First one, probably not. Second one, every day of the week and twice on Draft Saturday.

Personally, I'll take the first one. It's nice to get a guy at a bargain! A whole lot less risk there. To get the stud pro QB will cost you MUCH more!

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Personally, I'll take the first one. It's nice to get a guy at a bargain! A whole lot less risk there. To get the stud pro QB will cost you MUCH more!

No, I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. What I meant was I'd feel better about spending a high pick this year on an Aaron Rodgers type of QB if I knew I was getting what Aaron Rodgers is today.

I was saying goldenbeast's description of an "Aaron Rodgers quality QB" was vague.

But from a college perspective, Aaron Rodgers was Aaron Rodgers on draft day, and SF still took Alex Smith.

In hindsight, take the stud Aaron Rodgers type. Without the benefit of hindsight, don't spend a 1st on a college QB who's rated high, but free falls to pick 23.

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The senior bowl has made me a lot more positive about our first round pick. A week ago, I did not like the idea of Solder as an option for our pick. Now, it appears he will be the premier tackle in this draft and worthy of a top 15, and maybe even top 10, selection. Also, a week ago I would have said Ayers is a much better fit for our defense than Von Miller. Now, all I read about is scouts raving about Miller's potential as a 4-3 linebacker. He is not going to last to the 13th pick but it is still encouraging to read just in case.

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No, I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. What I meant was I'd feel better about spending a high pick this year on an Aaron Rodgers type of QB if I knew I was getting what Aaron Rodgers is today.

I was saying goldenbeast's description of an "Aaron Rodgers quality QB" was vague.

But from a college perspective, Aaron Rodgers was Aaron Rodgers on draft day, and SF still took Alex Smith.

In hindsight, take the stud Aaron Rodgers type. Without the benefit of hindsight, don't spend a 1st on a college QB who's rated high, but free falls to pick 23.

What's the point? Who wouldn't take any player if you knew in advance he'd turn out to be an All-Pro. There are no guarantees.

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What's the point? Who wouldn't take any player if you knew in advance he'd turn out to be an All-Pro. There are no guarantees.

I know. goldenbeast asked the original question. I was just pointing out that the question was vague unless you clarify what "Aaron Ridgers quality QB" truly means. And the difference between hindsight and foresight.

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It's a stupid question. I think Stafford has more talent than Rodgers. No need to delve further into it, worry about other issues on the team. They probably have a need for a third developmental QB if they can't sign Stanton, and if they don't like Zac. Otherwise, move along. There is nothing to see here.

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But from a college perspective, Aaron Rodgers was Aaron Rodgers on draft day, and SF still took Alex Smith.In hindsight, take the stud Aaron Rodgers type. Without the benefit of hindsight, don't spend a 1st on a college QB who's rated high, but free falls to pick 23.

That's kind of what I was getting at. Let me try to clarify. If you were guaranteed a top 5 nfl qb by drafting 3 qbs in the 1st round in a row would you do it? Of course that is vague since 1st rd could be pick number 1 or 32. Say if you had to draft in the top 10 for 3 years in a row. Just putting out a crazy hypothetical.

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It's a stupid question.

Well, that's kind of harsh, actually. I don't agree with the premise of the question necessarily, but it's something he wanted to ask, and he doesn't deserve to have it called stupid.

That's kind of what I was getting at. Let me try to clarify. If you were guaranteed a top 5 nfl qb by drafting 3 qbs in the 1st round in a row would you do it? Of course that is vague since 1st rd could be pick number 1 or 32. Say if you had to draft in the top 10 for 3 years in a row. Just putting out a crazy hypothetical.

Following your hypothetical, I think MANY of us would say we should take a QB in this draft (or even three consecutive drafts) if we were guaranteed that he'd be long-term top 5 in the league.

But that's an "if" that will never be a good risk, as that guarantee is never available. As my mammy used to say, "If, if, if... if grandma had stones, she'd be grandpa."

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it's a really stupid question. If you drafted a QB this year, lets say Jake Locker, and knew that he was going to be Brady, Brees or Manning...you absolutely, no doubt, 100% if your Martin Mayhew draft him. but since you can't know, there is now way you take that risk with all the needs of this team on the o-line/LB/DB's.

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I'm not a spammer, man. Truth is, fan outcry is going to demonstrate just how strong the people want to see a season next year! So sign the petition and - why not do all you can to ensure there's a season?

That is being very naive. I'm sure the NFL vs. NFLPA has an idea that there would be an outcry. What does speak louder than any petition is the fact that attendance at NFL games is down.

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It's a stupid question. I think Stafford has more talent than Rodgers. No need to delve further into it, worry about other issues on the team. They probably have a need for a third developmental QB if they can't sign Stanton, and if they don't like Zac. Otherwise, move along. There is nothing to see here.

Statements like that will make people question your credibility. We get it, you love the Lions and think Matt Stafford is a good QB. But Aaron Rodgers is one of the best 4 or 5 QB's on the NFL. Keep it real, Brother.:wink:

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Statements like that will make people question your credibility. We get it, you love the Lions and think Matt Stafford is a good QB. But Aaron Rodgers is one of the best 4 or 5 QB's on the NFL. Keep it real, Brother.:wink:

Stafford has more talent, although I agree Rodgers is one of the best right now, and is currently better than Stafford.

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