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The Tigers need another bat. Yes, we've all been talking about this for awhile, but who would you like to see the Tigers get?

Damon- Getting up there in age and wants 2 years, but he would be a good left handed bat that could hit lead off or bat second. Terrible in the field, but might be better then Guillen in LF.

Dye- This is one guy I'd love to see the Tigers go after. I'm not sure what the asking price is, but he'd be worth 1 or 2 years. Yes, he's getting up there in age and yes he's another Right handed bat, but he would provide some power.

WILL WE GO AFTER ONE and WHEN?

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Not only would I say no to Jermaine Dye, but Hell no. He is now a poor outfielder, and he's aging fast at age 36.

Last year Dye had an OPS below .800 - I think he's all but done.

IMHO, I believe we could use a leadoff hitter more than a middle order guy, which makes Damon very appealing to me.

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My thinking on some of these guys I've seen proposed lately:

Sizemore > Felipe Lopez

Damon is probably < Raburn, but would be a better fit as a leadoff hitter.

Raburn might be > Ordonez, and Guillen will probably get injured at some point.

Jermaine Dye needs to start working on his golf game.

Larish > Branyan

Larish<<Branyan

If Larsih could play..he would have already have been playing..

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Damon because they need a left-handed batter. If you take away Granderson, they had an .804 OPS vs. LH pitchers and .720 OPS versus RHP last year. That's a huge split which will be exploited if they don't correct it.

Some of that would need to be corrected from within even if they do get Damon b/c he won't make up that split by himself. Ordonez had his worst single season splits against RH pitching and well below career norms. If we look at FanGraphs splits, then since 2002, he has a .379 wOBA against RH pitching and a .878 OPS. Last year, he had a .745 OPS and .331 wOBA. In 08, he had a .870 OPS against RH pitching and in 07, he had a .978 OPS. His BABIP was right in line with career norms and so was his BB/K ratio and OBP. The discrepancy comes from a .094 ISO and his slugging percentage. If his power is truly gone, then he probably won't be anything more than an average hitter against RH pitching. Given the uncertainty of Raburn's playing time, that would leave us with 3 above average hitters against RH pitching (Damon, Cabrera, Guillen), Maggs as an average hitter, 2 unknowns in Sizemore and Jackson and 3 below average hitters in Inge, Laird and Everett. Thomas, Avila and Santiago would make things a little bit better, but Avila and Santiago are clear downgrades defensively and Thomas is not a good hitter.

If we sign Damon, which I think we should, then we will still need Guillen to stay healthy at DH, Maggs to rebound a little bit against RH pitching and hope that Sizemore and Jackson will not be over matched. If only Sizemore proves capable and the other things hold true, then I think we can have an average offense against right handed pitching.

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didn't we just non-tender Thames for being pretty much the same player Dye is today? (edit: only younger and cheaper)

in light of that, i don't know how anyone could think Dye would be a logical fit with this club.

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Some of that would need to be corrected from within even if they do get Damon b/c he won't make up that split by himself. Ordonez had his worst single season splits against RH pitching and well below career norms. If we look at FanGraphs splits, then since 2002, he has a .379 wOBA against RH pitching and a .878 OPS. Last year, he had a .745 OPS and .331 wOBA. In 08, he had a .870 OPS against RH pitching and in 07, he had a .978 OPS. His BABIP was right in line with career norms and so was his BB/K ratio and OBP. The discrepancy comes from a .094 ISO and his slugging percentage. If his power is truly gone, then he probably won't be anything more than an average hitter against RH pitching. Given the uncertainty of Raburn's playing time, that would leave us with 3 above average hitters against RH pitching (Damon, Cabrera, Guillen), Maggs as an average hitter, 2 unknowns in Sizemore and Jackson and 3 below average hitters in Inge, Laird and Everett. Thomas, Avila and Santiago would make things a little bit better, but Avila and Santiago are clear downgrades defensively and Thomas is not a good hitter.

If we sign Damon, which I think we should, then we will still need Guillen to stay healthy at DH, Maggs to rebound a little bit against RH pitching and hope that Sizemore and Jackson will not be over matched. If only Sizemore proves capable and the other things hold true, then I think we can have an average offense against right handed pitching.

I agree. Damon won't correct the problem by himself but he would help. Even if Guillen and Ordonez get back to their career norms against RHP, they still need another hitter who can hit RHP pitching. This has been a problem for a while.

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I agree. Damon won't correct the problem by himself but he would help. Even if Guillen and Ordonez get back to their career norms against RHP, they still need another hitter who can hit RHP pitching. This has been a problem for a while.

Russell Branyan .905 OPS, .383 OBP 21 HR's versus RHP in 2009..cheap and available.

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Larish<<Branyan

If Larsih could play..he would have already have been playing..

But where would he play? He's blocked everywhere I look - first, third, DH, spittoon cleaner .......

Branyan's career stats are .234/.331/.491 in the majors, and .262/.361/.560 in the minors - that includes significant time at AAA at ages 28 and 32, which skewed his minor league numbers quite a bit.

Larish's minor league stats are .261/.378/.478, and he has yet to get an extended shot at playing in the big leagues. I still see some ability there. In 2008, his last healthy season, he hit 21 homers in only 103 games for Toledo. Also Jeff has already had three seasons with an OBP of .390 or better. IMHO, Larish has just as much power and batting eye as Branyan does. I don't think we saw the same Jeff Larish (in his 104 Detroit at-bats) last year that we've seen previously? It should be noted that the Tigers would likely trade him in a heartbeat, since he is blocked at this point.

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If the Tigers were interested in Dye, they should have just kept Thames instead (who recently signed a MiL deal with the Yankees). I want neither in Detroit. Raburn, Thomas, Wells, Ramirez. There is some combination there who will work out just as well as one of these one-dimensional guys, especially in the long run.

With Damon, at least he'd provide us with a proven leadoff hitter, but honestly, I'm still hoping they don't take OF at bats from the young guys by adding any of these veterans. But if they do, Damon on a 1-year contract makes the most sense. A huge side benefit would be putting a stop to Boras' crazy fake Damon Detroit love.

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Larish's minor league stats are .261/.378/.478, and he has yet to get an extended shot at playing in the big leagues. I still see some ability there. In 2008, his last healthy season, he hit 21 homers in only 103 games for Toledo.

Man, I would really like to see the Tigers somehow give Larish a half season of consistent playing time to see if his production can translate at the MLB level. I just don't know where the fit would be defensively, assuming Guillen is DH most of the time.

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There are a lot of ifs that come with Damon. One, obviously is the contract. How much for how long.

Another variable is whether the Tigers feel they have a legitimate chance at the playoffs this season or next. If so, then having a proven postseason performer like Damon leading off would be nice.

With their payroll, they really have no choice but the feel they have a legitimate shot at the playoffs.

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