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So its vague, as is everything in this situation, but the players Joe Schad spoke with, who felt they were working too many hours, were willing to "be honest about their schedules" if asked by the NCAA.

Again, its vague, so I guess it doesn't really tell us anything.

Being honest about their schedule does not mean "testifying against" RR.

Their "testimony" will likely end up showing that they didn't exceed the limit on "countable" activities.

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I can also say, I'm done with the Detroit Free Press as long as Michael Rosenburg and/or his editor remain employed.

Same here.

I might check out the mobile version of the site on the way to work, but no more ad revenue from me. Not that it makes much of a difference. After Morosi left, there wasn't really anyone there worth reading anyway. The News writers are much better, IMO. And I realize that they are owned by the same parent company. But it's the principle of the thing.

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Whether rules were broken or not (if you held a gun to my head, I'd say no)

Okay. So basically the rest of your post is a bunch of your assumptions, right?

I don't think it matters, because the NCAA will never do anything.

Of course not, cause as you said -- rules weren't broken! Why would they?

I think the real damage, however, comes from having this story plastered all over ESPN, the radio, the print media, etc, etc.

I agree.

How about RR, is he 100% focused on WMU, because he looked like a wreck at that presser.

Oh, I am sure he's 110% focused on Western Michigan. The score will show that, because I am now predicting a blowout -- quote me on that.

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I'm getting my information from a good source, not making it up.

Whether rules were broken or not (if you held a gun to my head, I'd say no), I don't think it matters, because the NCAA will never do anything. I think the real damage, however, comes from having this story plastered all over ESPN, the radio, the print media, etc, etc. This disregards completely the lockerroom issue...are they going to band together (probably), or are they going to look suspiciously at the guy next to them? How about RR, is he 100% focused on WMU, because he looked like a wreck at that presser.

The damage has been done, IMO, and it has nothing to do with the NCAA.

I agree with you that the damage has all ready been done, and that's the problem. The NCAA might not ever take a look at this, UM is taking a look and they will more than likely find that no rules were broken. So that's a complete smear job on Rich Rod, just trying to run him through the mud, on something that is going to most likely turn out to be a false accusation. That, in my opinion, is unacceptable and completely dishonorable.

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Exactly. Thats why I said "it doesn't really tell us anything", but I guess I should have been more clear.

To lighten the mood a bit....

RichRod_PracticeGate.gif

I love LSU freek.

Yeah, it must have gotten lost in all of your posts on this page.

The whole "testifying" thing was just another example of the media making a bigger deal about an insignificant issue. Testifying doesn't imply attacking. But Schad is just like everyone else. They don't fly you out to Ann Arbor and put on TV first thing in the morning if you are going to say something like "this is being blown way out of proportion; nothing to see here."

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What a classic UM meltdown thread!

I didn't see that at all. Yet again, like the Freep, you are trying to make something out of nothing ;)

I'm more pumped than ever for another exciting season of college football here on MTS!

I agree, it should be fun. Well, as long Florida loses of course :classic:

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I don't really see how anybody can be mad at Rosenberg (frankly I think he is an exceptional writer) or any of the players. Rosenberg heard about the possible overusage of practice time and reported on it. He never lied to any players or used their names in the story. He asked questions like, "What is your average summer day like? How about the Sunday during football season?" I suppose the players were kind of tricked, but if you ask me it was simply good, smart journalism.

I also do not think anybody should freak out saying that UofM players are ratting on their coaches. a) Any players that left and are talking clearly had a negative experience their and b) From the sounds of it, the players were not specifically asked if they were breaking rules. Rosenberg was smart and asked what a typical day was like then researched and found that those days were in violation of NCAA policy.

I think I rambled a lot there but I'm too lazy to reread.

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I don't really see how anybody can be mad at Rosenberg (frankly I think he is an exceptional writer) or any of the players. Rosenberg heard about the possible overusage of practice time and reported on it. He never lied to any players or used their names in the story. He asked questions like, "What is your average summer day like? How about the Sunday during football season?" I suppose the players were kind of tricked, but if you ask me it was simply good, smart journalism.

I also do not think anybody should freak out saying that UofM players are ratting on their coaches. a) Any players that left and are talking clearly had a negative experience their and b) From the sounds of it, the players were not specifically asked if they were breaking rules. Rosenberg was smart and asked what a typical day was like then researched and found that those days were in violation of NCAA policy.

I think I rambled a lot there but I'm too lazy to reread.

Nope. This is a good post.

I imagine the questions he asked were quite similar to those that you posted.

My problem is the conclusion that these days are in violation of the rules. I also have a problem his description of the sources.

Rosenberg did a good job as an investigative journalist in order to get honest answers about the players' days. But he did a bad job by not including what the NCAA rules actually say about what counts toward the hourly limits and what doesn't.

He implied that these players have had enough and aren't afraid to talk about their mistreatment and the rule breaking. They said nothing of the sort.

It's good, smart journalism when there is something to report or expose. I don't think this falls into that category.

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Nope. This is a good post.

I imagine the questions he asked were quite similar to those that you posted.

My problem is the conclusion that these days are in violation of the rules. I also have a problem his description of the sources.

Rosenberg did a good job as an investigative journalist in order to get honest answers about the players' days. But he did a bad job by not including what the NCAA rules actually say about what counts toward the hourly limits and what doesn't.

He implied that these players have had enough and aren't afraid to talk about their mistreatment and the rule breaking. They said nothing of the sort.

It's good, smart journalism when there is something to report or expose. I don't think this falls into that category.

But it wasn't good journalism, it was lazy journalism. The circumstantial evidence of Rosenberg's public continuing contempt for RRod coupled with this current piece that makes sweeping, potentially career and program threatening allegations based on a couple statements but no examination of the actual rules that are alleged to be broken leads me to believe that this is nothing more than another Rosenberg hit piece.

It certainly is not good journalism. As was pointed out in the piece on rivals, given Rosenberg's position at the paper and his public stance toward RRod, it was a breach of journalistic ethics.

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Rosenberg's article was not good journalism. It was completely one sided and almost entirely omitted any evidence that might indicate that everything was on the up-and-up. Here's a great example:

The Free Press also asked freshman receiver Je’Ron Stokes about Michigan’s off-season program. Stokes, from Philadelphia, arrived at the Ann Arbor campus in June.

“Hooooo!” Stokes said. “A typical week is working from 8 a.m. in the morning to 6 or 7 at night, Monday through Saturday.”

And that was starting in June?

“Yes, sir,” Stokes said. “We do the weight room at least three times a week, and seven-on-sevens and one-on-ones. Speed and agility on the other days. Every day we have something new to get ready for the season. The coaches have done a great job of stressing the importance of getting us ready for the big season that we’re about to have.”

Stokes was not complaining. Like Hawthorne, he apparently was unaware of the rules.

Rosenberg clearly implyed that Stokes was breaking the rules by practicing and working out too much, when there is actually nothing in Stokes' quote that shows that he was breaking the rules. It was a complete hack piece, especially when it's paired with an article on how MSU would never go over the mandatory limit.

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A couple things here.

The freshmen who they interviewed were misquoted when they said that they go to a meeting, have class, eat dinner, and then practice. The reporter (idiot Rosenberg) interpreted all of this as being football activities.

Second...two posts.

One, from Je'Ron Stokes' father, one of the players misquoted:

I appreciate the support we are "ALL IN", my wife and I spoke with our son almost everyday this summer.All of his condidtioning activities were within compliance. The 7 on 7 's were voluntary extra work that he wanted to do , with some of the other players.....all VOLUNTARY... I am extremely upset about this. Je'Ron is a good young man, hard working in every sense. We as parents want him to enjoy playing football, but also enjoy his college experience and working to get his degree from this great school. I just think it is a shame to be dragged into this nonsense!! We are in the process of reaching out to the media outlets involved to clear my son from this mess that has gotten out of control

I think it is a DISGRACE for any person with the "power of the pen", to mis-use that priviledge for ill intent. For the reporter that interviewed my son, "twisted his quotes in such a way to bring suspicion on our Michigan program, is pathetic!!! Coach Rich Rod, and his staff run a very respectable program, and they do a wonderful job of making sure that their staff as well as their players understand the NCAA rules, as well as the team rules. My son by know means has any complaints, with the Coaches, the workouts etc... HE LOVE MICHIGAN, HE LOVES BLUE NATION, and he is excited and ready to go into this season with his teamates who are just as excited to be part of a special season in yet another page of Michigans history to regain National prominence.

There was also a post from Michael Schofield's father about how his son has been home whenever he wanted...had nobody chasing after him about practicing or training, did volunteer activities, and how the coaches pushed education first to both parents and students. Even talked about how Michael's little brother got to work with Michigan coaches more in the summer than Michael did, because they attended Michigan youth camps while Michael couldn't begin his workouts yet.

Also, MSU slappies being in here = lol

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Stokes was not complaining. Like Hawthorne, he apparently was unaware of the rules.

That quote was very interesting, in that for it to make logical sense, you almost have to assume that Rosenberg believed that nobody would voluntarily work a single hour more than they have to.

i.e. if Stokes was aware for the rules that said you didn't have to commit more than 8 hours per week, Rosenberg believes there's no way that he would more than 8 hours.

I don't know what world Rosenberg is living in to think like that.

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Hey, just to be clear, I don't think it was good journalism.

I just think Rosenberg did a good investigative job getting truthful answers about what the players do. Beyond that I give him no credit. I think he completely failed in interpreting the answers and presenting a well researched article. But, then again, I don't think that was his intention.

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That quote was very interesting, in that for it to make logical sense, you almost have to assume that Rosenberg believed that nobody would voluntarily work a single hour more than they have to.

i.e. if Stokes was aware for the rules that said you didn't have to commit more than 8 hours per week, Rosenberg believes there's no way that he would more than 8 hours.

I don't know what world Rosenberg is living in to think like that.

Rosenberg was on radio today and said he believes this is bigger than the Ed Martin stuff, maybe he thinks this because he's the one that wrote this investigative piece. He's also of the opinion that Michigan went 3-9 last year because the team was overworked. In other words Rosenberg doesn't live in reality.

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I'm still waiting for a mainstream publication to get a quote from a 2008 player about what exactly they were doing on Sunday or during the off-season, and comparing that to the rulebook on what is countable and uncountable.

I'm sure the UM investigation will be doing this, I see no reason why a journalist couldn't call someone up again and clarify this.

Although that the freep did not publish this basically means a) they asked but didn't report it because the activities were indeed not countable b) they didn't understand the rules at the time and therefore did not ask the relevant questions.

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Rosenberg was on radio today and said he believes this is bigger than the Ed Martin stuff, maybe he thinks this because he's the one that wrote this investigative piece. He's also of the opinion that Michigan went 3-9 last year because the team was overworked. In other words Rosenberg doesn't live in reality.

He's probably getting that last part from Terrence, who said all the practice on Sunday prevented him from getting healthy. But yes, his interests lie in making this sound as dramatic as possible.

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