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No, because as we all know, someone can have a terrible season without being a terrible player. Case in point: Justin Verlander. There are plenty of equally valid reasons to suggest that, while he has been a poor hitter this year, he can easily turn it around and be a productive Tiger. I'm pretty sure Scottwood has acknowledged this in the thread already.

But he's a FA after this season. Unless the Tigers plan to resign him, then this is a move for the stretch run -- and we've acquired a hitter who, according to some, is in the midst of a terrible season. That's not very smart, is it?

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So it's a good idea to pick up players who are having "terrible" seasons? How is that?

B/c we only gave up a middle reliever in the minor leagues, he is a better backup 3rd baseman than Raburn is, he has been a good hitter against right handed pitching over the last 3 seasons and he has been a quality hitter as recently as last season. It is a low risk move that will only help our club and has very little chance of hurting it.

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Why do you deliberately misrepresent every thing I say? I'm sure I annoy a few people from time to time with my analytical posts but I bend over backwards to try to argue respectfully on this board. I've actually had several people tell me I'm too diplomatic. You are the most arrogant person on the bored but you constantly cry about being a victim. Why the bitterness?

Who else sees the Freudian slip?

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But he's a FA after this season. Unless the Tigers plan to resign him, then this is a move for the stretch run -- and we've acquired a hitter who, according to some, is in the midst of a terrible season. That's not very smart, is it?

Not necessarily. Being in a terrible season currently doesn't mean the rest of the season will be equally terrible.

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I have been trashing Dombrowski for failing to acquire a bat, but it seems he has now done so. I like the Huff acquisition. He isn't great, but neither are the Tigers' other options. He will take some ABs away from Maggs (hopefully, so his option doesn't vest), Clete, Raburn, and Thames. They weren't producing, so an acquisition was needed. Hopefully this move will spark the offense.

The one thing that perplexes me (and as another poster pointed out earlier in the thread) is why they didn't claim him on waivers? Maybe they could have gotten him without giving up a prospect in that scenario.

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But he's a FA after this season. Unless the Tigers plan to resign him, then this is a move for the stretch run -- and we've acquired a hitter who, according to some, is in the midst of a terrible season. That's not very smart, is it?

But the beauty of stats is that there are reasons to be happy with the pickup despite the terrible season that he has had so far. Therefore, people are still happy with the move. Complimenting a player on his high RBI total is like saying an ugly chick has a nice personality. Statistical analysis is noticing that the girl isn't really ugly, just that she is kind of bookish and wears baggy clothes and a tight ponytail. Put her in some skimpy clothes, upgrade her frames, and fix the hair and you have yourself a teen romantic comedy or a nice platoon player at the worst. Everybody wins. And no one cares about the personality anymore, even though it is still there. There is just a lot of other stuff to compliment her for.

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I have been trashing Dombrowski for failing to acquire a bat, but it seems he has now done so. I like the Huff acquisition. He isn't great, but neither are the Tigers' other options. He will take some ABs away from Maggs (hopefully, so his option doesn't vest), Clete, Raburn, and Thames. They weren't producing, so an acquisition was needed. Hopefully this move will spark the offense.

The one thing that perplexes me (and as another poster pointed out earlier in the thread) is why they didn't claim him on waivers? Maybe they could have gotten him without giving up a prospect in that scenario.

Because the Orioles would have had the option to pull it back, and it would be more likely no deal would have been made.

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And the first nominee for best metaphor in a trade thread . . .

But the beauty of stats is that there are reasons to be happy with the pickup despite the terrible season that he has had so far. Therefore, people are still happy with the move. Complimenting a player on his high RBI total is like saying an ugly chick has a nice personality. Statistical analysis is noticing that the girl isn't really ugly, just that she is kind of bookish and wears baggy clothes and a tight ponytail. Put her in some skimpy clothes, upgrade her frames, and fix the hair and you have yourself a teen romantic comedy or a nice platoon player at the worst. Everybody wins. And no one cares about the personality anymore, even though it is still there. There is just a lot of other stuff to compliment her for.
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I have been trashing Dombrowski for failing to acquire a bat, but it seems he has now done so. I like the Huff acquisition. He isn't great, but neither are the Tigers' other options. He will take some ABs away from Maggs (hopefully, so his option doesn't vest), Clete, Raburn, and Thames. They weren't producing, so an acquisition was needed. Hopefully this move will spark the offense.

The one thing that perplexes me (and as another poster pointed out earlier in the thread) is why they didn't claim him on waivers? Maybe they could have gotten him without giving up a prospect in that scenario.

Couldn't that have happened, anyway? Maybe that's how the Tigers found out he was available and how the Orioles found out someone was interested.

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But he's a FA after this season. Unless the Tigers plan to resign him, then this is a move for the stretch run -- and we've acquired a hitter who, according to some, is in the midst of a terrible season. That's not very smart, is it?

Other posters have already addressed this specific question fine but I will add that we are basically doing what you are asking "saber" people to do. We are looking at his stats... but we are not forming our opinion of the acquisition solely on his stats for this season.

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But the beauty of stats is that there are reasons to be happy with the pickup despite the terrible season that he has had so far. Therefore, people are still happy with the move. Complimenting a player on his high RBI total is like saying an ugly chick has a nice personality. Statistical analysis is noticing that the girl isn't really ugly, just that she is kind of bookish and wears baggy clothes and a tight ponytail. Put her in some skimpy clothes, upgrade her frames, and fix the hair and you have yourself a teen romantic comedy or a nice platoon player at the worst. Everybody wins. And no one cares about the personality anymore, even though it is still there. There is just a lot of other stuff to compliment her for.

I like that analogy. I don't necessarily understand it, but it paints a fun picture!!!

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But the beauty of stats is that there are reasons to be happy with the pickup despite the terrible season that he has had so far. Therefore, people are still happy with the move. Complimenting a player on his high RBI total is like saying an ugly chick has a nice personality. Statistical analysis is noticing that the girl isn't really ugly, just that she is kind of bookish and wears baggy clothes and a tight ponytail. Put her in some skimpy clothes, upgrade her frames, and fix the hair and you have yourself a teen romantic comedy or a nice platoon player at the worst. Everybody wins. And no one cares about the personality anymore, even though it is still there. There is just a lot of other stuff to compliment her for.

Dude, you win. Forever.

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Other posters have already addressed this specific question fine but I will add that we are basically doing what you are asking "saber" people to do. We are looking at his stats... but we are not forming our opinion of the acquisition solely on his stats for this season.

Statistically speaking, isn't a player who's having a bad year likely to continue that bad year? (And I honestly am not trying to be a jerk; I really don't know, although I suspect it's the case).

EDIT: Part II of this question: Is there anything to statistically support the oft-repeated notion that some players do better with a "change of scenery"?

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Just wait until he's in a Tiger uniform and NOT producing, then, you guys will see that there are NO RBI's and nothing to get excited about. Huff's best days are behind him and he's having a down year............Looks like a Stairs/Casey deal that DD has done in the past and I do NOT blame them for trying to get someone to put them over the hump. They are trying and Huff's past performances would be nice, but, he's done...............he's not very good at all. Can't play a defensive position, is basically a DH and a liability in the field. He'll be here for this year and not return.

I HOPE I am wrong, but, I do applaud management for making a move......albeit the wrong one!

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so with this acquisition, what goes on with positioning and batting order?

would it look like this..with a right handed pitcher on the mound versus the Tigers.

cf Granderson,2b Polanco,dh Guillen, 1b Cabrera, lf Huff, 3b Inge, rf Thomas,

c avila, ss santiago

verus a left hander on the mound verusus the Tigers...

cf Granderson, 2b Polanco, lf Thames, 1b Cabrera, dh guillen, rf ordonez, c laird, ss everett

seems the lineups would have more balance and allow the team to have many counter points to corresponding bullpen moves late in games. it also would probably allow the tigers to keep the at bats by magglio under the vesting number in more of a quiet way.

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Just wait until he's in a Tiger uniform and NOT producing, then, you guys will see that there are NO RBI's and nothing to get excited about. Huff's best days are behind him and he's having a down year............Looks like a Stairs/Casey deal that DD has done in the past and I do NOT blame them for trying to get someone to put them over the hump. They are trying and Huff's past performances would be nice, but, he's done...............he's not very good at all. Can't play a defensive position, is basically a DH and a liability in the field. He'll be here for this year and not return.

I HOPE I am wrong, but, I do applaud management for making a move......albeit the wrong one!

even if his rbi dip, his ops against RHP is still higher than Clete, Maggs and Inge (guys who he takes PT from)

He is better than some of our other options, even in a down year, and is about as good as you are going to get in a waiver trade.

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But the beauty of stats is that there are reasons to be happy with the pickup despite the terrible season that he has had so far. Therefore, people are still happy with the move. Complimenting a player on his high RBI total is like saying an ugly chick has a nice personality. Statistical analysis is noticing that the girl isn't really ugly, just that she is kind of bookish and wears baggy clothes and a tight ponytail. Put her in some skimpy clothes, upgrade her frames, and fix the hair and you have yourself a teen romantic comedy or a nice platoon player at the worst. Everybody wins. And no one cares about the personality anymore, even though it is still there. There is just a lot of other stuff to compliment her for.

The problem with this illustration is that the ugly chick would proably be more reliable in the long run and the "hot chick" would be found to be a "one hit wonder" and not as great as everyone thought she was. Statistically speaking, that is.

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Statistically speaking, isn't a player who's having a bad year likely to continue that bad year? (And I honestly am not trying to be a jerk; I really don't know, although I suspect it's the case).

EDIT: Part II of this question: Is there anything to statistically support the oft-repeated notion that some players do better with a "change of scenery"?

Statistically, what Huff has done thus far this season has no impact on what he will do from here on in, unless that to-date production is a reflection of his true talent level. Whether it is or not is open to debate. It's like Jarrod Washburn, but in reverse.

I don't know if "change of scenery" has been shown to improve player performance or not.

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