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The thought never crossed my mind. I know you're better than that.

Plus, when was the last time you said anything in two words? :wink:

LOL! That's actually really true!

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Detroit is considering a handful of players, with former Piston Ben Wallace and veteran center Rasho Nesterovic at the top of their list.

I think there's a reason they say you can't go home again.

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I think there's a reason they say you can't go home again.

If it's between Ben & Nesterovic, I'd rather take Ben back. I hated him for leaving us in the first place, but seems like he now knows that he messed up, and I'd have no problem seeing him come off the bench & putting some minutes in at the C or PF spot.

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NBA free agency: Latest on David Lee, Ramon Sessions and others - ESPN

Chris Wilcox and Jamario Moon received very similar contracts this past weekend from Detroit and Cleveland, respectively. The deals pay an even $3 million in each of the next two seasons, with the primary difference being that Moon -- as a restricted free agent -- has to wait until Friday before officially joining the Cavs, when Miami's right to match Cleveland's offer will expire.

Wilcox also received a player option on the second season, meaning that he has the right to return to the open market as a member of the 2010 class of free agents if he wishes.

Why does Dumars hand out player options like candy? Are we such a bad destination that scrubs like Wilcox have us over a barrel?

That is a lose-lose situation for the Pistons. He does bad, he takes his option and we are stuck with him. Does good, and he opts out and we either have to pay big bucks or let him walk.

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NBA free agency: Latest on David Lee, Ramon Sessions and others - ESPN

Why does Dumars hand out player options like candy? Are we such a bad destination that scrubs like Wilcox have us over a barrel?

That is a lose-lose situation for the Pistons. He does bad, he takes his option and we are stuck with him. Does good, and he opts out and we either have to pay big bucks or let him walk.

More incentive for him to play well this season.

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More incentive for him to play well this season.

Not really. It provides a safety net for him. If he does awful, he can just activate his player option and guarantee getting paid $3 million the next year. If he does really well, he could opt out and try to get a better deal. The player is in full control.

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Gooden just signed for 4.5 million + incentives in Dallas for one year, that Dallas location must be awful too. I hesitate to mention Wade/Anthony/James/Bryant and their player options.

Detroit is an upper tier destination for Basketball, no it's not Miami/Ny/LA but it's in the next level, you don't hear draft picks not wanting to come to Detroit, most of that is because the organization is seen as elite, and because of Dumars.

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NBA free agency: Latest on David Lee, Ramon Sessions and others - ESPN

Why does Dumars hand out player options like candy? Are we such a bad destination that scrubs like Wilcox have us over a barrel?

That is a lose-lose situation for the Pistons. He does bad, he takes his option and we are stuck with him. Does good, and he opts out and we either have to pay big bucks or let him walk.

I'm a lot less bothered by the Wilcox contract than I am Gordon's where it looks like Dumars was bidding against himself. I'm no fan of Reinsdorf but what he said last week (about pulling their offer to Gordon last season and not having the kind of minutes to keep him happy in the future) is pretty much what I've heard from fans that follow the Bulls.

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Gooden just signed for 4.5 million + incentives in Dallas for one year, that Dallas location must be awful too. I hesitate to mention Wade/Anthony/James/Bryant and their player options.

Detroit is an upper tier destination for Basketball, no it's not Miami/Ny/LA but it's in the next level, you don't hear draft picks not wanting to come to Detroit, most of that is because the organization is seen as elite, and because of Dumars.

I don't think elite organizations have to fire their head coach 12 hours before free agency starts. Just to ensure they can overpay some players.

Also, draft picks want to come here is your big argument why they are elite? Gordon, Thorton and Griffin all want to go the Clippers. How elite are they? Davis signed with them in free agency, are they elite?

And did you really just try to compare Wilcox and his PO to James/Wade/Anthony and Bryants PO?

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I'm a lot less bothered by the Wilcox contract than I am Gordon's where it looks like Dumars was bidding against himself. I'm no fan of Reinsdorf but what he said last week (about pulling their offer to Gordon last season and not having the kind of minutes to keep him happy in the future) is pretty much what I've heard from fans that follow the Bulls.

I agree about the bidding against himself. Always a bad move, and it appears Joe does this now and then (Nazr another example). But I wonder about the Reinsdorf comments. Maybe they were just sour grapes.

Who would have taken Gordons minutes? Hinrich? I know Salmons would now, but he wasn't on the Bulls team when the offer was pulled.

And I am not that concerned with the Wilcox deal. Just seemed odd is all. I was all for the Kwame PO last year. I was like Buddha and thought he would come in and bust *** to get a big deal. But we all see how that turned out.

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I'm a lot less bothered by the Wilcox contract than I am Gordon's where it looks like Dumars was bidding against himself. I'm no fan of Reinsdorf but what he said last week (about pulling their offer to Gordon last season and not having the kind of minutes to keep him happy in the future) is pretty much what I've heard from fans that follow the Bulls.

I agree he overpayed for Gordon, if Gordon is really going to be a sixth man.

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I agree about the bidding against himself. Always a bad move, and it appears Joe does this now and then (Nazr another example). But I wonder about the Reinsdorf comments. Maybe they were just sour grapes.

Who would have taken Gordons minutes? Hinrich? I know Salmons would now, but he wasn't on the Bulls team when the offer was pulled.

And I am not that concerned with the Wilcox deal. Just seemed odd is all. I was all for the Kwame PO last year. I was like Buddha and thought he would come in and bust *** to get a big deal. But we all see how that turned out.

I'm in a wait and see mode because I agree, much of what's coming out of Chicago could be sour grapes. Friends in Chicago tell me that Gordon wasn't a good compliment to Rose and dominated the ball too much. Still, I think it's about money with them too, they would have been very happy to have him at several million less a year.

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I dunno, if Wilcox plays well, then he opts of the contract and the Pistons are out nothing. If he plays poorly and comes back he becomes a flexible low-cost expiring contract that could be thrown in a deal if need be. I'm not gonna lose sleep over it.

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