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A sad possible truth. I know you won't, nor I.

That was the closest that I ever came to going back. Remembering why I got out is the only thing that kept me from doing so.

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Sadly, this is true.

Not only with this. It is the human condition. How long would someone last if they felt the same about loved ones dying the same as they did the day they died 30 years after the fact.

I was CRUSHED when I lost my brother back in 2004. CRUSHED. I have never in my life felt so miserable. If I continued to feel the same way every day since I would have died of a heart attack a long time ago.

I still think about him and I still care, but there is only so much grief one person can take.

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Probably for the same reason that people recognize Memorial Day, December 7th and Independence Day.

these are all different though. July 4 is completely different, its a commemoration of a positive beginning. Memorial day stands mostly in memory of those who served in successful war efforts that accomplished national goals. Dec 7 is closet maybe, given the parallel kind of loss, but even there, it is also the marker for the beginning of a war which ultimately was very successful for the US - not to mention that is also maybe the least thought about of the three you mentioned.

Right now there are no good connotations from 9/11. Maybe in 20 yrs Muslim extremism will implode on itself and Iraq and Afghanistan will be our great democratic allies, and then we can look at 9/11 having a positive meaning as the beginning of the end of something that had to go. For now I sort of agree with Chasfh that it may be a moment of remembrance of private grief for the victims and families, but to date it has had no more significance to make it positively memorable for the nation. It's just another catastrophe like a volcano or a hurricane or an airplane crash - just bigger.

To me there has to be some meaning to a national remembrance, and to date 9/11 continues to stand as meaningless.

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these are all different though. July 4 is completely different, its a commemoration of a positive beginning. Memorial day stands mostly in memory of those who served in successful war efforts that accomplished national goals. Dec 7 is closet maybe, given the parallel kind of loss, but even there, it is also the marker for the beginning of a war which ultimately was very successful for the US - not to mention that is also maybe the least thought about of the three you mentioned.

Right now there are no good connotations from 9/11. Maybe in 20 yrs Muslim extremism will implode on itself and Iraq and Afghanistan will be our great democratic allies, and then we can look at 9/11 having a positive meaning as the beginning of the end of something that had to go. For now I sort of agree with Chasfh that it may be a moment of remembrance of private grief for the victims and families, but to date it has had no more significance to make it positively memorable for the nation. It's just another catastrophe like a volcano or a hurricane or an airplane crash - just bigger.

To me there has to be some meaning to a national remembrance, and to date 9/11 continues to stand as meaningless.

ummm...

The only thing I will say is your citing the difference for the days of remembrance brought up by Biff and then using natural disasters as a correlation leaves me very confused. Hurricanes and volcanoes are natural. Hijacked planes are not.

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these are all different though. July 4 is completely different, its a commemoration of a positive beginning. Memorial day stands mostly in memory of those who served in successful war efforts that accomplished national goals. Dec 7 is closet maybe, given the parallel kind of loss, but even there, it is also the marker for the beginning of a war which ultimately was very successful for the US - not to mention that is also maybe the least thought about of the three you mentioned.

Right now there are no good connotations from 9/11. Maybe in 20 yrs Muslim extremism will implode on itself and Iraq and Afghanistan will be our great democratic allies, and then we can look at 9/11 having a positive meaning as the beginning of the end of something that had to go. For now I sort of agree with Chasfh that it may be a moment of remembrance of private grief for the victims and families, but to date it has had no more significance to make it positively memorable for the nation. It's just another catastrophe like a volcano or a hurricane or an airplane crash - just bigger.

To me there has to be some meaning to a national remembrance, and to date 9/11 continues to stand as meaningless.

December 7 is much closer to 9/11 if you happen to be in Hawaii.

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I do believe United 93 was actually shot down over Pennsylvania. I also believe there was no other choice but to shoot it down.

I thought the same thing from the moment I heard about it.

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I thought the same thing from the moment I heard about it.

Isn't it true that orders were given to shoot it down if necrssary so in reality it doesn't matter if it was shot down or happened as we were told. At least not to me. But wouldn't the debris be different?

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Isn't it true that orders were given to shoot it down if necrssary so in reality it doesn't matter if it was shot down or happened as we were told. At least not to me. But wouldn't the debris be different?

Probably not in any way that a layperson would be able to tell. Planes don't just explode into aerial fireballs like they do in the movies. They could have hit it with either a small missile or two to take out the engines, causing a crash, or with a cannon damage it enough to cause it to crash. That being said, I don't think that it was shot down. Maybe that is what the gov't is making me believe though since I quit wearing my foil cap.

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I simply have no interest in remembering an event that had no greater effect than leading us into two ill-advised wars and sending thousands more of our kids to die in the desert. I don't believe I'm alone on that, let alone being completely beyond the pale in thinking this.

I think that's a good reason to remember the day and event. For better or worse, 9/11 was a major catalyst in the history of this country.

It's a negative that so many lives were lost and destroyed on the day. It's a negative that so many lives were lost and destroyed as a result of the conflicts that followed.

However, maybe just maybe by taking time to remember the innocents that were affected, we can try to grow some positives. Perhaps it's by going out and volunteering on the 11th. Maybe it's just by taking a moment to be a little friendlier to your fellow citizen for a day. Maybe it's even as simple as those affected families know that the hearts and minds of their country hasn't moved on and forgotten about them, despite living in such a fast-paced media world that we live in today.

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Isn't it true that orders were given to shoot it down if necessary so in reality it doesn't matter if it was shot down or happened as we were told. At least not to me. But wouldn't the debris be different?
Initially judgement to open fire was left to each flight leader, but since no connection was available to correlate between military and civilian radar, the USAF had no way of identifying potentially unresponsive aircraft. USAF rescinded the order and required permission to fire.

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I think that's a good reason to remember the day and event. For better or worse, 9/11 was a major catalyst in the history of this country.

It's a negative that so many lives were lost and destroyed on the day. It's a negative that so many lives were lost and destroyed as a result of the conflicts that followed.

However, maybe just maybe by taking time to remember the innocents that were affected, we can try to grow some positives. Perhaps it's by going out and volunteering on the 11th. Maybe it's just by taking a moment to be a little friendlier to your fellow citizen for a day. Maybe it's even as simple as those affected families know that the hearts and minds of their country hasn't moved on and forgotten about them, despite living in such a fast-paced media world that we live in today.

This is a good and fair response.

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Isn't it true that orders were given to shoot it down if necrssary so in reality it doesn't matter if it was shot down or happened as we were told. At least not to me. But wouldn't the debris be different?

The only way it would matter is in how the incident would live in the minds of the American people. Whether in reality it was shot down or whether it brought itself down, the only way it was ever going to be reported was that heroes on board forced it down.

I don't think many people would begrudge the military for shooting it down. It's a totally understandable and defensible action. But why open that can of worms when the hero story is so beautiful, uplifting and, just as importantly, highly plausible? Given this, I couldn't blame them for covering up a shoot-down, if that's what happened. None of us can know for sure. It's an article of faith either way.

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I do believe United 93 was actually shot down over Pennsylvania. I also believe there was no other choice but to shoot it down.

What makes you believe that?

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I do believe United 93 was actually shot down over Pennsylvania. I also believe there was no other choice but to shoot it down.

I don't doubt that that is the direction that things were going, but I don't think it actually happened for a couple of reasons. One - there was time left before 93 immediately threatened something strategic - at least so far as we have heard, two) if it had been shot down I think it would have been apparent in a precrash breakup of the plane, which didn't happen. Doesn't make it impossible, but just a lot less likely on balance. three) it doesn't seem credible that the story told by people (whom the gov had no real time knowledge about) in communication with the passengers on the plane about what was happening could have been concocted that fast..

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We'll go forward from this moment

By Leonard Pitts

September 12, 2001

It's my job to have something to say.

They pay me to provide words that help make sense of that which troubles the American soul. But in this moment of airless shock when hot tears sting disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can find to say, the only words that seem to fit, must be addressed to the unknown author of this suffering.

You monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard.

What lesson did you hope to teach us by your coward's attack on our World Trade Center, our Pentagon, us? What was it you hoped we would learn? Whatever it was, please know that you failed.

Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause.

Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve.

Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together.

Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a family rent by racial, social, political and class division, but a family nonetheless. We're frivolous, yes, capable of expending tremendous emotional energy on pop cultural minutiae -- a singer's revealing dress, a ball team's misfortune, a cartoon mouse. We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready availability of trinkets and material goods, and maybe because of that, we walk through life with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are fundamentally decent, though -- peace-loving and compassionate. We struggle to know the right thing and to do it. And we are, the overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and loving God.

Some people -- you, perhaps -- think that any or all of this makes us weak. You're mistaken. We are not weak. Indeed, we are strong in ways that cannot be measured by arsenals.

IN PAIN

Yes, we're in pain now. We are in mourning and we are in shock. We're still grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still working to make ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from some Hollywood blockbuster, isn't the plot development from a Tom Clancy novel. Both in terms of the awful scope of their ambition and the probable final death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of terrorism in the history of the United States and, probably, the history of the world. You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before.

But there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us fall. This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow the last time anyone hit us this hard, the last time anyone brought us such abrupt and monumental pain. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any cost, go to any length, in the pursuit of justice.

I tell you this without fear of contradiction. I know my people, as you, I think, do not. What I know reassures me. It also causes me to tremble with dread of the future.

In the days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers pointing to determine whose failure allowed this to happen and what can be done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward from this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined, too. Unimaginably determined.

THE STEEL IN US

You see, the steel in us is not always readily apparent. That aspect of our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us well. On this day, the family's bickering is put on hold.

As Americans we will weep, as Americans we will mourn, and as Americans, we will rise in defense of all that we cherish.

So I ask again: What was it you hoped to teach us? It occurs to me that maybe you just wanted us to know the depths of your hatred. If that's the case, consider the message received. And take this message in exchange: You don't know my people. You don't know what we're capable of. You don't know what you just started.

But you're about to learn.

We'll go forward from this moment - The Ornery American

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I don't doubt that that is the direction that things were going, but I don't think it actually happened for a couple of reasons. One - there was time left before 93 immediately threatened something strategic - at least so far as we have heard, two) if it had been shot down I think it would have been apparent in a precrash breakup of the plane, which didn't happen. Doesn't make it impossible, but just a lot less likely on balance. three) it doesn't seem credible that the story told by people (whom the gov had no real time knowledge about) in communication with the passengers on the plane about what was happening could have been concocted that fast..

the law of leaks applies. If the Government has a secret it will leak.

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Each year on this day, i watch the annual reading of the names of the souls who were blown off the face of the earth. Every face, every name, a testimony to the fact that this nation was, and is still made up of people of every race and a tapestry of world-wide nationalities.

I watch the reading of the names for the 3 hrs it takes, and hopefully, always will take the time to reflect on those families who still are in pain.....but who go on to live the good life that we enjoy here.

What was their (and our) crime that day?

We dared to be happy and productive and hard working.

To those who want to destroy us?

**** you.

You can't. Your hate won't win.

It won't.

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the law of leaks applies. If the Government has a secret it will leak.

Yeah, this is not an unimportant point to consider.

Guvm'nt has a lot less ability to keep secrets than is often suggested.

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Unreal that this was 13 years ago. I remember that day so vividly.

I can't believe it has been that long. I tend to look back at things a pre 911 and post 911. It seems like my perspective of things changed that day. I was also in high school and it really changed the outlook of my future. Just start to look at things differently.

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Biff-I still keep a copy of this in my favorites to this day. Every 9/11 I read it and post it. It always interests me, in hindsight, to see what has happened since it was written. Still brings chills.

We'll go forward from this moment

By Leonard Pitts

September 12, 2001

It's my job to have something to say.

They pay me to provide words that help make sense of that which troubles the American soul. But in this moment of airless shock when hot tears sting disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can find to say, the only words that seem to fit, must be addressed to the unknown author of this suffering.

You monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard.

What lesson did you hope to teach us by your coward's attack on our World Trade Center, our Pentagon, us? What was it you hoped we would learn? Whatever it was, please know that you failed.

Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause.

Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve.

Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together.

Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a family rent by racial, social, political and class division, but a family nonetheless. We're frivolous, yes, capable of expending tremendous emotional energy on pop cultural minutiae -- a singer's revealing dress, a ball team's misfortune, a cartoon mouse. We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready availability of trinkets and material goods, and maybe because of that, we walk through life with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are fundamentally decent, though -- peace-loving and compassionate. We struggle to know the right thing and to do it. And we are, the overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and loving God.

Some people -- you, perhaps -- think that any or all of this makes us weak. You're mistaken. We are not weak. Indeed, we are strong in ways that cannot be measured by arsenals.

IN PAIN

Yes, we're in pain now. We are in mourning and we are in shock. We're still grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still working to make ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from some Hollywood blockbuster, isn't the plot development from a Tom Clancy novel. Both in terms of the awful scope of their ambition and the probable final death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of terrorism in the history of the United States and, probably, the history of the world. You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before.

But there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us fall. This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow the last time anyone hit us this hard, the last time anyone brought us such abrupt and monumental pain. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any cost, go to any length, in the pursuit of justice.

I tell you this without fear of contradiction. I know my people, as you, I think, do not. What I know reassures me. It also causes me to tremble with dread of the future.

In the days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers pointing to determine whose failure allowed this to happen and what can be done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward from this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined, too. Unimaginably determined.

THE STEEL IN US

You see, the steel in us is not always readily apparent. That aspect of our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us well. On this day, the family's bickering is put on hold.

As Americans we will weep, as Americans we will mourn, and as Americans, we will rise in defense of all that we cherish.

So I ask again: What was it you hoped to teach us? It occurs to me that maybe you just wanted us to know the depths of your hatred. If that's the case, consider the message received. And take this message in exchange: You don't know my people. You don't know what we're capable of. You don't know what you just started.

But you're about to learn.

We'll go forward from this moment - The Ornery American

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