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1 minute ago, mtutiger said:

This was a tough one. AJ sending Tarik out was a fine decision, but the leash maybe should have been a tad shorter

yeah - 1st man on base in that situation is usually the best time to pull the plug. That what he he did with Mize earlier, I don't know why tonight was different.

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10 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

yeah - 1st man on base in that situation is usually the best time to pull the plug. That what he he did with Mize earlier, I don't know why tonight was different.

I'm guessing limited bullpen hurt a lot tonight. Funkhouser and Soto both had long outings yesterday and were probably unavailable. And aside from Cisnero, the other options aren't exactly ideal.

They really need a couple of other guys from the remainder to step up... Jimenez has looked better but had a rough outing the other night. But the rest? Idk, not a lot of good options.

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1 minute ago, mtutiger said:

I'm guessing limited bullpen hurt a lot tonight. Funkhouser and Soto both had long outings yesterday and were probably unavailable. And aside from Cisnero, the other options aren't exactly ideal.

They really need a couple of other guys from the remainder to step up... Jimenez has looked better but had a rough outing the other night. But the rest? Idk, not a lot of good options.

but this gets to my biggest single problem with baseball managers. You can't manage your starters because of your BP.  If your BP is crap you are going to lose anyway - running a starter past the point of no return usually doesn't get you more than one extra out - and usually not even that, but then does leaves your reliever in a bigger hole. 

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They're also staring at a potentially short Manning start (which I'll be at tomorrow night!) followed by a bullpen day.  I can see the temptation to try to steal an extra inning from Skubal when his pitch count was still acceptable.  And really, if you take the error away, they probably escape to the 8th with a tie game.

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6 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

but this gets to my biggest single problem with baseball managers. You can't manage your starters because of your BP.  If your BP is crap you are going to lose anyway - running a starter past the point of no return usually doesn't get you more than one extra out - and usually not even that, but then does leaves your reliever in a bigger hole. 

I agree with you. It's better to have Cisnero up and ready to go while the game is still managable, and deal with figuring out how to piece together a win if Cisnero comes in with one on and ends up keeping it tied. Rather than what transpired here

It is what it is... if Joe Jimenez or Buck Farmer or Norris or whoever wants a chance to prove they belong, they need to be put into these situations. It can’t be all on the young starters or on the three ML level bullpen guys we have. Especially with starters on or facing innings limits.

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While the bottom 4 in the Tigers lineup went 1/13 in Minneapolis, to the west in Omaha, Derek Hill homered twice, Yariel Gonzales once, Paredes homered and doubled. Just sayin',

Only 290 miles from Omaha to Minneapolis. 5 Delta non-stops daily from $389

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10 hours ago, mtutiger said:

I'm guessing limited bullpen hurt a lot tonight. Funkhouser and Soto both had long outings yesterday and were probably unavailable. And aside from Cisnero, the other options aren't exactly ideal.

They really need a couple of other guys from the remainder to step up... Jimenez has looked better but had a rough outing the other night. But the rest? Idk, not a lot of good options.

This is why I am suspicious of some of the posted dreams of a near .500 finish despite a “weak” schedule (not pointing a finger at you or anyone in particular).  This pitching staff is about to crumble apart as a whole because there just aren’t enough decent options, and it’s not very good to begin with  Heck, yes, it’d be nice to finish with mid to high 70 wins, but it’s tough to see that happening.

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7 hours ago, socaltiger said:

After the all star break Willie Castro should be in Toledo playing centerfield, Mazara fishing, Hill platooning with Badoo in center and Parades playing second base in Detroit.

Yes.  Just go with Short and Paredes up the middle and see how it works out.  It seems like they want Paredes playing everyday, and I understand that.  Just do it in the majors.

Schoop can stay at 1B and DH with Cabrera.

Whatever mini streak Mazara was on seems to have dissolved.  If he had any defense, maybe ride it out a little longer.  But that isn’t the case, so thank him for his contributions and send him off.

 

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36 minutes ago, Casimir said:

This is why I am suspicious of some of the posted dreams of a near .500 finish despite a “weak” schedule (not pointing a finger at you or anyone in particular).  This pitching staff is about to crumble apart as a whole because there just aren’t enough decent options, and it’s not very good to begin with  Heck, yes, it’d be nice to finish with mid to high 70 wins, but it’s tough to see that happening.

I mean, I still think they'll be at least .500 this month because of the weak July schedule (even with the pitching issues), but I'd be shocked if they finished the season less than 10 games below .500.

I don't know if anyone here has said they would get close to .500, but maybe I'm wrong.

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1 hour ago, Casimir said:

This is why I am suspicious of some of the posted dreams of a near .500 finish despite a “weak” schedule (not pointing a finger at you or anyone in particular).  This pitching staff is about to crumble apart as a whole because there just aren’t enough decent options, and it’s not very good to begin with  Heck, yes, it’d be nice to finish with mid to high 70 wins, but it’s tough to see that happening.

So far they haven't found anything worrisome in Boyd, Fulmer, Turnbull. How many games they lose before they get back will be the problem or if there are more set-backs like Turnbull's.

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52 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I mean, I still think they'll be at least .500 this month because of the weak July schedule (even with the pitching issues), but I'd be shocked if they finished the season less than 10 games below .500.

I don't know if anyone here has said they would get close to .500, but maybe I'm wrong.

I think that we were speculating that there might be a path to 75 wins but a lot of things would have to go right.

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