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How many games will the Lions Win in the 2021 Season?


How many games will the Lions Win in the 2021 Season?  

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  1. 1. How many games will the Lions Win in the 2021 Season?

    • 12+ Wins
      1
    • 10-11 Wins
      1
    • 9 Wins
      1
    • 8 Wins
      2
    • 7 Wins
      2
    • 6 Wins
      11
    • 5 Wins
      4
    • 4 Wins
      3
    • 1-3 Wins
      3
    • 0 Wins
      0


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I think Goff surprises everyone and the Lions pull out 8 wins this year. They end up riding the Offensive Line to some surprise wins as well and Swift becomes a pro-bowler for the Lions.  I don't think they'll have a top 5 draft pick heading into the next draft and don't even draft a QB next year. What do you think? 

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On 6/29/2021 at 6:14 PM, AlaskanTigersFan said:

I think Goff surprises everyone and the Lions pull out 8 wins this year. They end up riding the Offensive Line to some surprise wins as well and Swift becomes a pro-bowler for the Lions.  I don't think they'll have a top 5 draft pick heading into the next draft and don't even draft a QB next year. What do you think? 

I don't see them getting to 8 wins but I do see them getting better as the season progresses, I went with six wins on the poll seven wouldn't surprise.

I think Goff and the offense will do well mainly based on the OL giving Goff time (clean pocket) and the way the team uses Swift/Williams in the offense.  Granted this comes from my belief in Lynn being a good OC.   I also think that McVey  contributed to part of Goff's issues in LA (belief comes from LA fans that post on another longtime Lions board).  WR are a big ?? to be sure but I think there is enough on offense as a group to be productive.

Defense is the main issue for me LB are big problem followed by safeties.  I think the DL and CB will improve but it will take time.

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Not sure if this is allowed or not, I will delete if not but here is a post on the other board by a LA fan as I was typing my comments on McVey.  There are two posts regarding McVey and the Rams offense which makes me think that while Goff has areas that need to be improved it may not be as difficult as we think.

 

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Yes, the deep speed was my major concern as a Rams fan. I kinda believed that Reynolds had a decent chance at replacing Cooks, but he was not good at all last year. Reynolds could only garner a contract like the heralded Charles Harris (I think that’s his name) signed this offseason with the Lions.

McVay also had to play Malcolm Brown for 42% of the snaps because the Rams young backs were either injured or struggled to understand the offense. Brown is okay as a 3rd back, but he offered NO explosive plays.

Goff has been nailed again and again for his qb rating under pressure, but a big part of that problem was that after Gurley and Cooks were hurt / left, the Rams didn’t have any explosive players to punish teams for blitzing.

Goff desperately needed someone who could take a short, simple throw and turn it into a 20-40 yard gain. Stafford should do much better than Goff did in LA because Cam Akers is no longer a rookie and he is a talented guy even if he isn’t Todd Gurley. Plus, the Rams only off-season moves this year were to add speed with Jackson’s contract and over drafting Tutu in round 2.

The Lions weapons aren’t great, but I do like the different options provided by Hockenson, Swift, Williams, and Perriman’s speed compared to what Goff had last year with Woods, Kupp, Reynolds, and Malcolm Brown. That group did not scare anyone and rarely made big plays.

McVay seems desperate and has a little bit of Mike Martz in him. Martz won a lot of games with hall of fame guys like Pace, Faulk, Bruce, & Holt, but was such a nut job he couldn’t sustain success when those guys declined.

McVay looks like a guy who desperately wants to win while he has Aaron Donald and is making some really foolish decisions to win now. I could totally see him walking away like Jon Gruden if he did get lucky enough to win the super bowl.

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I’ll bite.

I remember McVay being asked before the season how they would replace Cooks deep production and he said something to the effect of, ‘we have Josh Reynolds’. That didn’t pan out.

Every fan had that question. McVay himself didn’t seem to see it or at least make changes until after the season was over. Now he has somewhat addressed it with Tutu (draft) and Jackson(FA).

The other concern every fan had was with the OL. They have turned out better than fans feared after 2019, but still don’t seem to be a strength of a team. Just no longer a glaring weakness. Instead he moved Goff (QB), Kromer(OL coach), and Blythe (center) but left everyone else. The Lions OL looks MUCH better from what I have seen/read.

More and more I feel like McVay doesn’t make decisions well under pressure. His play calling is suspect. He is frequently surprised and unable to recover against top defensive coaches like Flores.

I feel like McVay does make a lot of good moves but they mostly seem to come off the field or when his plan is working. It’s like he has a famous grandfather helping him prepare but then he can’t adjust within the game. That said, he has a fantastic winning record so how can I argue with that.

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That's an interesting couple of takes FRM...

I couldn't take a guess at how many wins.

Everything could go wrong and we could win 3 or 4, or everything goes right, and I mean everything, and we win 9 or 10-ish. I think we end up somewhere in the middle. But I just can't put a number on that as there are too many unknowns. I believe this will be a major transition/ Growing Pains year... so I just want to see the team get better game-by-game and finish stronger at the end of the year. Any positions of weakness I want identified and addressed next offseason and draft. Give me good health and improvement everywhere and I'll worry about the wins at the end of the season.

I think getting an inside push on the D-Line will help our secondary. I think our secondary will play much, much better. Including our Safeties. If we're winning games, it's because we're getting to the QB and we are getting INT's. These coaches love getting Safety INT's too, and with split-deep safeties, I expect 4-6 Safety INT's from our 3 safeties; I'm including Harris in there... Again, if we get burned, it's our LB'ers.

On Offense... I think it's our O-Line that wins us some games. We have enough receiving so I'm not really worried there... That, and Goff's play I believe will be positive surprises for us. I think we could suffer from lack of RB depth... I'll pray to the RB gods to keep Swift & Williams healthy. If we lose... it will be because Goff is losing the ball through fumbles or INT's, or we suffer RB injuries... Hopefully the QB fumbles are kept to a minimum with a potentially great O-Line... So, again, if we're winning on Offense, it's because our O-Line is kicking *** to the benefit of Goff, the RB's, and all of our receivers... If we're losing, I think that ends up being on Goff's shoulders.

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On 7/3/2021 at 10:08 AM, 84 Lives!!! said:

That's an interesting couple of takes FRM...

I couldn't take a guess at how many wins.

Everything could go wrong and we could win 3 or 4, or everything goes right, and I mean everything, and we win 9 or 10-ish. I think we end up somewhere in the middle. But I just can't put a number on that as there are too many unknowns. I believe this will be a major transition/ Growing Pains year... so I just want to see the team get better game-by-game and finish stronger at the end of the year. Any positions of weakness I want identified and addressed next offseason and draft. Give me good health and improvement everywhere and I'll worry about the wins at the end of the season.

I think getting an inside push on the D-Line will help our secondary. I think our secondary will play much, much better. Including our Safeties. If we're winning games, it's because we're getting to the QB and we are getting INT's. These coaches love getting Safety INT's too, and with split-deep safeties, I expect 4-6 Safety INT's from our 3 safeties; I'm including Harris in there... Again, if we get burned, it's our LB'ers.

On Offense... I think it's our O-Line that wins us some games. We have enough receiving so I'm not really worried there... That, and Goff's play I believe will be positive surprises for us. I think we could suffer from lack of RB depth... I'll pray to the RB gods to keep Swift & Williams healthy. If we lose... it will be because Goff is losing the ball through fumbles or INT's, or we suffer RB injuries... Hopefully the QB fumbles are kept to a minimum with a potentially great O-Line... So, again, if we're winning on Offense, it's because our O-Line is kicking *** to the benefit of Goff, the RB's, and all of our receivers... If we're losing, I think that ends up being on Goff's shoulders.

LOL everything go right and they win 9?! Sure I guess if a bunch of other teams planes crash. Everything goes right and its a 6 win team. 

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the nfl is a passing league and the lions have no receivers and maybe 1 good defensive back (if okudah improves to match his draft status).

that's not a recipe for success.  its going to take 2 or 3 years of solid drafting to get good.

the one thing they do have is a solid offensive line to build on and a nice possession receiving tight end.  the defensive line has some solid players too.  thats something.

but man, the back seven is probably the worst in the league.  the receivers are too.  no more stafford to bail is out.  im with kl, this year is going to be rough.

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So much is riding on Goff. If he bounces back and is more of the 2017 version than the 2020 one, then in free agency and the draft they can focus on the numerous holes on the roster and possibly compete next year. If he is not someone they can move forward with, then they either have to draft or trade for a QB.

And if he succeeds this year they should win a few games, if he doesn't they should be drafting top 5.

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29 minutes ago, Buddha said:

the nfl is a passing league and the lions have no receivers and maybe 1 good defensive back (if okudah improves to match his draft status).

that's not a recipe for success.  its going to take 2 or 3 years of solid drafting to get good.

the one thing they do have is a solid offensive line to build on and a nice possession receiving tight end.  the defensive line has some solid players too.  thats something.

but man, the back seven is probably the worst in the league.  the receivers are too.  no more stafford to bail is out.  im with kl, this year is going to be rough.

there no way around the receiving weakness, but scheme and discipline - i.e coaching, can make a  difference on defense. We don't know if that part will be better or how much but we suspect it will.

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Honestly, it could be anywhere between 2 and 9, but things are looking like it'll be towards the lower-middle end of that and possibly worse than last season, especially once injuries kick in as the depth looks really poor in most places.

That doesn't necessarily make them a worse team going forward fwiw, they just won't have Stafford to bail them out in the same way.

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On talent level alone this is a 3 to 4 win team(unless Goff has a career Renaissance) but as I've said before I believe in the coaching and think they could squeak out an extra 2 to 3 wins themselves so I'm going to say 6 wins.

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17 hours ago, Buddha said:

the nfl is a passing league and the lions have no receivers and maybe 1 good defensive back (if okudah improves to match his draft status).

that's not a recipe for success.  its going to take 2 or 3 years of solid drafting to get good.

the one thing they do have is a solid offensive line to build on and a nice possession receiving tight end.  the defensive line has some solid players too.  thats something.

but man, the back seven is probably the worst in the league.  the receivers are too.  no more stafford to bail is out.  im with kl, this year is going to be rough.

Back 7 worst in the NFL?  Come on.  

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21 minutes ago, T&P_Fan said:

You really give Patricia too much credit.  The talent is middling. 

I think you give Patricia too much credit. Patricia was bad but there is still a talent deficiency. I mean, they only went 1-4 without Patricia and lost their starting QB. 

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17 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

I think you give Patricia too much credit. Patricia was bad but there is still a talent deficiency. I mean, they only went 1-4 without Patricia and lost their starting QB. 

What they went after Patricia is meaningless.   Okudah will anchor an up and coming secondary this year.   They had the worst defense of all of time and people on this form are acting as it will be the same.  Stafford wasn’t crazy good last year,  it’s not like the offensive drop off will be huge.  Golladay didn’t play.  Stafford was average.  Swift didn’t hardly get enough touches.   

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I do agree that the offense shouldn't take as big of drop as people think.  Yeah we lost Golladay and Stafford but Golladay missed most of the season anyway and like TP mentioned Stafford wasn't all that great last year.  Staff had 7 games with 100+ Rating, Goff had 7 such games as well.  Staff had 3 300+ yard games, Goff had 6.  Staff had 5 games where he averaged 8 ypa and Goff had 4.  Goff had 3 games of multiple turnovers,  Staff had 2.

There are countless other stats like this that show that game by game Goff wasn't that much worse than Stafford last year, of course Staff had less to work with and is clearly the better QB going forward but I don't think the drop off with Goff is going to be that drastic compared to the Matthew Stafford of LAST year.  

With all this said even if there isn't a big of drop off on offense its still going to be one of the worst in the league just like last year, just trying to say I don't think its going to be that much worse than it was last year and could possibly be better with an improved o line and progression of  guys like Swift.  

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5 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

I do agree that the offense shouldn't take as big of drop as people think.  Yeah we lost Golladay and Stafford but Golladay missed most of the season anyway and like TP mentioned Stafford wasn't all that great last year.  Staff had 7 games with 100+ Rating, Goff had 7 such games as well.  Staff had 3 300+ yard games, Goff had 6.  Staff had 5 games where he averaged 8 ypa and Goff had 4.  Goff had 3 games of multiple turnovers,  Staff had 2.

There are countless other stats like this that show that game by game Goff wasn't that much worse than Stafford last year, of course Staff had less to work with and is clearly the better QB going forward but I don't think the drop off with Goff is going to be that drastic compared to the Matthew Stafford of LAST year.  

With all this said even if there isn't a big of drop off on offense its still going to be one of the worst in the league just like last year, just trying to say I don't think its going to be that much worse than it was last year and could possibly be better with an improved o line and progression of  guys like Swift.  

the Rams gave up 25 sacks last season, the Lions 42.  If the O-Line matches the Rams number from last season Goff would have a chance to do what he did last season.

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