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Just curious on some of ya'lls input on this. Why do you think the Lions will stink? They are projected to be one of worst 3 teams in the league by ESPN and Sports Illustrated. They should have an incredible Offensive line, great D line, good secondary with Okudah second year. Yes Goff is drawing screams from everyone, but the dude did get to the playoffs and was a #1 overall pick not too long ago. I'm not down on him nearly as bad as others are. He could be totally rejuvenated by moving cities. There's got to be a reason LA gave him that boatload of a contract. I cant imagine they'd just give a bum off the street that kind of cash. 

RB's should also be good. Swift could be a top 10 back? The others should be decent as well. The only really big flaw is the Wide Receivers. I'm not really sure what else I'm missing. I could see them surprising a lot of teams. Why do you guys think they'll be bad?

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I think they will be better than most of the experts think but I don't see them winning more than 7 games unless they get real lucky with things like turnover margin and Goff performs at a super high level.   The reason being is that they simply aren't that talented compared to other teams, their OL should obviously be a strength but other than that unit I don't see any other that is even average.   I'm a firm believer in good coaching and the difference they can make so perhaps they can turn our secondary into a strength and/or our d line but as of now they both have to be considered below average as well.

I love their draft and I feel they are on the right track but it's going to take another draft or two until we can seriously consider them a playoff contender.  

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Here's why I have low expectations from the Lions in 2021:

Rookie HC: Okay, sure he's got some time as an intern HC in Miami, but he's still mostly a rookie.  That's not to say he's bad or will be back, but I don't expect a rookie HC to automatically be good.

New OC and DC: Any time there's a drastic change in offensive or defensive scheme I'd expect it to be a down year as the team learns the new way of doing this. Just like a rookie HC this doesn't mean it will be bad long term, but I expect there will be growing pain short term as the personnel adjust.

Questionable QB: Yes Goff has history of being good, but he also has history of being bad.  While I'm hoping for good Goff, I'm not expecting it.

Questionable WR: Even if we get good Goff, who's he going to be throwing too?  Is there anyone right now at WR that you'd consider worrisome if he was on the Bears or Packers? Anyone you'd think: "Oh... that'll be a problem."

Questionable LB: Same as WR... is there anyone that you would worry about if he was facing the Lions from another team?

Over all I do think the Lions will probably be slightly better than they are generally projected to be, but I can't honestly blame the national media for their predictions.  There's a lot with the Lions that might be good long term, but very little for me to hang a hat on saying they will be good this year.

I certainly hope they prove me wrong, but I'm just not expecting good things this year.

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49 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

Here's why I have low expectations from the Lions in 2021:

Rookie HC: Okay, sure he's got some time as an intern HC in Miami, but he's still mostly a rookie.  That's not to say he's bad or will be back, but I don't expect a rookie HC to automatically be good.

New OC and DC: Any time there's a drastic change in offensive or defensive scheme I'd expect it to be a down year as the team learns the new way of doing this. Just like a rookie HC this doesn't mean it will be bad long term, but I expect there will be growing pain short term as the personnel adjust.

Questionable QB: Yes Goff has history of being good, but he also has history of being bad.  While I'm hoping for good Goff, I'm not expecting it.

Questionable WR: Even if we get good Goff, who's he going to be throwing too?  Is there anyone right now at WR that you'd consider worrisome if he was on the Bears or Packers? Anyone you'd think: "Oh... that'll be a problem."

Questionable LB: Same as WR... is there anyone that you would worry about if he was facing the Lions from another team?

Over all I do think the Lions will probably be slightly better than they are generally projected to be, but I can't honestly blame the national media for their predictions.  There's a lot with the Lions that might be good long term, but very little for me to hang a hat on saying they will be good this year.

I certainly hope they prove me wrong, but I'm just not expecting good things this year.

its not just the linebackers, the entire back 7 is bad.  one of the worst in the league.

youre counting heavily on two rookies in the middle of the defensive line, that's going to be an issue.  were counting on romeo okwara to have another year like last year (when he was good, but not a fast twitch pass rusher providing constant pressure).  in fact, unless julian develops, the lions still dont have a really good immediate pass rusher.  what they have is the left overs from patricia's system who are well drilled in holding the point of attack and contain and slowly closing the pocket.  and stopping the run.  they lack pass rushers.  still.

the linebackers and secondary are very sub par.  i expect improvement from okudah, but oruwariye is nothing special.  he's a functional nfl corner back but not a really good one.  tracy walker was bad last year but at least he has shown flashes in his career, unlike will harris who has always been bad.  i dont expect anything this year from their new rookie corners either.

jaime collins is another year older and slower.  anzalone is a fine depth lb were expecting to start.  tavai is still on the team and likely still slow and bad.  barnes is a rookie who may end up playing DE.  

the defense will likely still be one of the worst in the league.  which will be an improvement on last year's defense which was one of the worst of all time.

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on offense they have a good offensive line assuming sewell comes in and plays well at right tackle.  but its a new position for him so he may take time to adjust.

hockenson is a good tight end who is going to get a lot of receptions, but other than that they have almost nothing at reveiver.  teams will focus on hockenson and take him away.  the running backs are good.  goff is a big question mark.  as noted before, he was bad last year and middling the year before.  thats not a good trajectory.  and now he has no weapons to throw to other than hockenson.  that's not a great recipe for success.

i do expect the offense to be middle of the road, but the defense to remain bad.

to me that spells 5-8 wins, with 5 being more likely.

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I think they'll surprise some people, but my big concern is WR.  Losing Stafford & Golladay will hurt .. & I don't know that we'll really be able to stretch the field with what we have.  I expect the defense to be markedly better - but still bottom third of the league.

I'm not worried at all about Campbell.  Toe lint would be better than Patricia.

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I think there is a difference between good and will be good. I expect this team to show a good deal of the latter but not much of the former.

I don't expect the OL to be top five this year as they learn each other, but I think we will see flashes of what is to come.

I don't expect the DL to be dominant this year, but I think we will see those rookies develop in a promising fashion.

I don't expect Okudah to scream "3rd overall pick" this year, but I think he will be much closer to that than he was last year.

I do expect Goff will be a league average QB, and make us think at times that he could be so much better with better men to throw to.

I do expect MCDC to make some mistakes, but to own up them in postgame and learn from them. I think he will also have the heart of that locker room for every second of every game, practice, and film session.

 

I think at the end of the day, most NFL teams should be able to pick apart our back seven without much issue, and while I like Goff more than most, I don't think he's the gunslinger QB who will win in a shootout. That said, I think we will get to say "woah" a few times as our starting 22 get better and compete week in and week out, and I think we will surprise a team or two by winning games where we have no business winning.

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If we win 8 games, that drops us from our projected #2 pick to like pick 15..... You think the leaders of this team, if we are a .500 team come trade deadline, deal some of our better players in order to tank on purpose to get us closer to the top of the draft? Or if we stay around pick 15, does that hamper our rebuild and make us stuck in mediocrity? 

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19 hours ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

If we win 8 games, that drops us from our projected #2 pick to like pick 15..... You think the leaders of this team, if we are a .500 team come trade deadline, deal some of our better players in order to tank on purpose to get us closer to the top of the draft? Or if we stay around pick 15, does that hamper our rebuild and make us stuck in mediocrity? 

Depends who our better players are and what the asking price is. It wouldn't be to intentionally tank though, it'd be to further set yourself up for success in the future. Pro Bowlers are found at 15 and beyond every year.

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1 hour ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

I think if we win 8 games this year, that takes out all talk of us drafting a QB next year..... 

that's why you have multiple picks from the rams.  they'll use those to trade up if they have to.

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I pushed back a little on the Alex Smith/Pat Mahomes comps from a few months back, but on reflection I do think the situation is similar. Smith and Goff are both guys who won't lose you a game, but also aren't going to be the guy who takes the team on their back en route to a ring.

Ride with Goff until you spot your Mahomes. Whether that's next year or three years from now. Then when you see him, do whatever it takes to get him.

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On 6/26/2021 at 9:26 PM, AlaskanTigersFan said:

I think if we win 8 games this year, that takes out all talk of us drafting a QB next year..... 

fyi, pff ranked the lions roster second to last in the league.

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1 hour ago, Buddha said:

fyi, pff ranked the lions roster second to last in the league.

I am way too optimistic for my own good..... I have us winning 8 games this year. I think we'll have a pick between 10-15. Oof. My Sundays are gonna be ruined and I don't even know. 

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19 hours ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

I am way too optimistic for my own good..... I have us winning 8 games this year. I think we'll have a pick between 10-15. Oof. My Sundays are gonna be ruined and I don't even know. 

Evergreen Lions post. 

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1 hour ago, Keepleyland2 said:

Bad players.

 

Seriously how many guys would start on most other teams? 3. 3 out of 22?!

hockenson, ragnow, maybe decker.

that's probably it.

and that's a center and a tight end.  hardly the premium difference maker positions in the nfl.

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On 6/25/2021 at 3:23 PM, djhutch said:

I think they'll surprise some people, but my big concern is WR.  Losing Stafford & Golladay will hurt .. & I don't know that we'll really be able to stretch the field with what we have.  I expect the defense to be markedly better - but still bottom third of the league.

I'm not worried at all about Campbell.  Toe lint would be better than Patricia.

Stretching the field is the one thing these receivers can do. Williams and Perriman average over 16 YPC for their career. Lets keep in mind that Golladay and Jones did not create a lot of separation. They were very good at catching in traffic and Stafford was very good at fitting the ball into tight windows. Williams for instance averages more yards of separation than either Golladay or Jones. I'm going to be curious to see how Golladay does without Stafford throwing him the ball.

10 hours ago, Buddha said:

hockenson, ragnow, maybe decker.

that's probably it.

and that's a center and a tight end.  hardly the premium difference maker positions in the nfl.

I have Hockenson, Ragnow, Decker and Sewell as starting on most teams. On about 50% of the teams I have Flowers, Brockers, Okwara, Swift and Okudah. Swift and Okudah is based more on talent than actual production. 

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20 hours ago, Buddha said:

hockenson, ragnow, maybe decker.

that's probably it.

and that's a center and a tight end.  hardly the premium difference maker positions in the nfl.

Like even with the rosey of rose glasses the most I could come up with was 6. 6 of 22. 

And people here are like "i think they might just suprise.

Face it its about a 2-3 win team, and that's ok this year. 

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11 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

Meh. I'm just looking for optimism lol.  Based on my other thread, looks like 5-6 wins for the Lions (albeit an extremely small sample size). I'm still goin for 8 wins with this team. I just hope this O-line will help Goff succeed. 

If they win 8 I'll go streaking down 42nd stret. **** I'm considering making that offer at 5 wins. 

Bad team and a really bad schedule. 

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On 7/1/2021 at 10:37 PM, Buddha said:

hockenson, ragnow, maybe decker.

that's probably it.

and that's a center and a tight end.  hardly the premium difference maker positions in the nfl.

Flowers had an 83 PFF Grade and Romeo Okwara was 23rd in all of football in QB pressures, I think both start on atleast half the other teams.   

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