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1 hour ago, Longgone said:

Not if you translate it.

When Mize walked batters in the fourth and fifth innings, I don’t recall Morris saying it would have been better had Mize given up a homer instead. Sounded to me like Morris was providing some cover for a fellow pitcher who grooved one by mistake.

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3 hours ago, tiger337 said:

It is never better to give up a homer than a walk.  Giving up a homer can be the same as a walk in a given situation, but it can never be better.  

If he is saying that he wants a pitcher to challenge a hitter rather than giving him a free pass and he blames a pitcher more for a walk than a homer in the bottom of the ninth with a three-run lead, then that makes sense. However, the home run result can not be better than the walk result.  

Mize had a 2-0 count and a three-run lead. He had a ball to give so didn’t have to challenge the hitter on that pitch. I’m guessing he just missed his spot on one of the edges of the zone.

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16 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Mize had a 2-0 count and a three-run lead. He had a ball to give so didn’t have to challenge the hitter on that pitch. I’m guessing he just missed his spot on one of the edges of the zone.

The sinker tailed left, then the sinker tailed right, so he threw a get-me-over 92 mph FB. Which is probably exactly what Morris would have done in that situation, which comports with your post 3 up. Now if that was still meant to be 'attack mode' then he was tired. Or he was "giving in" a bit. 

But we're picking nits. The kid is really doing great. 5 of 7 really strong starts. He's getting guys out 'honestly' - as in not over reliant on the trick pitch. He still messes around too much at 0-2 but heck - give him the credit for getting to 0-2 so often.

The monumentally bad hitting has obscured that even with what has been bad defense behind them, 4 of 5 starters have >100 ERA+ and the one that doesn't probably has the 2nd or maybe even best stuff on the staff if he just recaptures the FB spin we know he has already shown. It not enough to excuse the terrible position roster, but this starting staff is an accomplishment that deserves a little credit.

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5 hours ago, Casimir said:

Fun to see Haase's game.  I thought having him in LF was kind of silly in spring, but what the heck do I know?  I only checked out the condensed game on MLB, and I didn't see any defense involving him.  Is he a legit LF? ...

I would give him a 1B glove as well and see if he can handle it.

If he can handle 1st, the way the team is currently constructed, he can get some playing time at 1st, LF, and sometimes behind the plate. Especially with late game maneuvers and his playable bat...

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39 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I wondered a bit that they put him in left instead of right. I would have thought that being a catcher he would have a relatively strong arm - at least as strong as Grossman's, whose is nothing to write home about. But I guess IF throwing and OF throwing don't always correlate. Or maybe the theory is at COPA they won't want him in left because he doesn't have the wheels so let him get used to one side.

I think for some guys it's the way the read the ball off the bat and some can do it on one side but not the other.   

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37 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

I would give him a 1B glove as well and see if he can handle it.

If he can handle 1st, the way the team is currently constructed, he can get some playing time at 1st, LF, and sometimes behind the plate. Especially with late game maneuvers and his playable bat...

they wanted Nunez for the HR potential, Haase has two 25HR minor league seasons and he can take a walk. He will still have to prove he can be less than automatic out between the HRs. Cabrera is up to 2/3 time at 1b. But who knows how long that keeps up.

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1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Mize had a 2-0 count and a three-run lead. He had a ball to give so didn’t have to challenge the hitter on that pitch. I’m guessing he just missed his spot on one of the edges of the zone.

In that case, a home run is definitely worse than a walk.  

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I think we may be jumping the gun on Haase's bat.  He showed some power in the minors, but hadn't done anything in the majors (in a small sample size) until yesterday.  Then again, when your line-up is crap, it makes sense to go with an unknown quantity.  

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44 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I think we may be jumping the gun on Haase's bat.  He showed some power in the minors, but hadn't done anything in the majors (in a small sample size) until yesterday.  Then again, when your line-up is crap, it makes sense to go with an unknown quantity.  

Tigers have more guys they want to see than they have spots. It looks like the IF we should play is Candelario, Goodrum, Schoop (though I'm not a big of Niko either, but be that as it may), but that means you send W Castro back to Toledo. To do what? I think at this point you'd want him to learn 2b, but Clemens is there getting what is probably his last shot. At SS? Peterson and Short are both insurance policy types so they could stand to let one go, but that doesn't help Willi learn 2b. Situation with catchers and OF are just as bad.

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2 hours ago, tiger337 said:

I think we may be jumping the gun on Haase's bat.  He showed some power in the minors, but hadn't done anything in the majors (in a small sample size) until yesterday.  Then again, when your line-up is crap, it makes sense to go with an unknown quantity.  

55 plate appearances over three season is, as you noted, a small sample size. From 2017-2019 (the last three full minor league seasons), covering his age 24-26 years split between AA and AAA, Hasse hit 74 HRs. Granted, he was a bit old for those leagues, but he also posted a walk-rate close to 10%. He's definitely worth an extended look. Heck, I doubt there is a Tiger prospect at any level with even 50 HRs over that time period. 

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3 hours ago, tiger337 said:

That's funny, because they hardly have anybody that I want to see!

LOL - I have guys I want to see, but  more because I'm tired of all these tweeners the team can't seem to fish or cut bait on. Give Hill his shot. Guarantee  him 150 everyday AB and lets get it over with one way or the other. We may not like what we see but moving on from the guys that aren't going to cut it is part of the process that needs to happen.  Or play Jones everyday and let Baddoo sit until you make a decision about Jones.  But all these tweeners playing part time and going on little streaks or slumps and sitting a week and then is he rusty or whatever and making it impossible to decide if you have something or not is a strategy I'd like to be done with.

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7 hours ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

I would give him a 1B glove as well and see if he can handle it.

If he can handle 1st, the way the team is currently constructed, he can get some playing time at 1st, LF, and sometimes behind the plate. Especially with late game maneuvers and his playable bat...

I wouldn’t get overly worried about trying to find a bunch of playing time for Haase.  This is a career .317 OBP in the minors.  I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest he hasn’t suddenly figured it out.

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No I'm not going to worry...

But useful is useful.

And a 3rd catcher isn't very. So if he wants to stick with the Tigers... I'm sure LF is a plus, and Hinch seems to like him. He's got some power, and a LH'd bat. I still think if he's capable at 1B, it just adds some usefulness to he who is Eric Haase.

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23 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

No I'm not going to worry...

But useful is useful.

And a 3rd catcher isn't very. So if he wants to stick with the Tigers... I'm sure LF is a plus, and Hinch seems to like him. He's got some power, and a LH'd bat. I still think if he's capable at 1B, it just adds some usefulness to he who is Eric Haase.

Haase is a right handed batter.

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11 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Early on I got a vibe that the org wasn't all that sold on Willi's makeup. They always sort of soft pedalled what he was doing in the minors while they talked up everyone else and it left me thinking maybe he had an issue like not taking his work seriously enough - but who knows?  Players are all different. Just as the contrast - and not to talk him up in particular but you notice W Castro's lack of 'natural' reflexes at 2b and then you think about a guy like Paredes, about whom I heard that you can put him anywhere as a fielder and he has almost a natural intuition for what to do. (note that is not the same thing as saying he is necessarily good at it)

Yeah, it’s weird how things work out sometimes.  Didn’t the White Sox unload Marcus Semien in part because they didn’t like his IF work?  And then the A’s scooped him up and not only used him on the IF, but at SS.

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