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1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

The offense was just otherworldly bad in April. And while they are deficient from a position player perspective, this is probably closer to what this group should be producing than April was.

I have never witnessed an entire team that was unable to hit a maior league fastball for three weeks.

Its not like they were hitting off speed pitches well, either, but the fastball thing was just shocking.

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Fun to see Haase's game.  I thought having him in LF was kind of silly in spring, but what the heck do I know?  I only checked out the condensed game on MLB, and I didn't see any defense involving him.  Is he a legit LF?

As for Rogers, to my untrained eye, he looked like a poor defensive catcher in his 2019 call up.  But looks much more competent behind the plate so far this season.  Experience?  Confidence?  Different approach?  As long as he can have a tolerable bat for lower in the lineup, maybe he can scratch out some serviceable time behind the plate until Dingler arrives.

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7 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

the thing with W Castro is that while he is still young, his has been playing pro ball since he was 17. He's had time to learn everything there is to learn about playing every IF position if had cared to.

His hitting this season after last season might just have led to a complete funk?  He might have been so-so at SS and then this set back occurs and then he gets shuffled to 2B, and now he's just in an all out slump at the plate and in the field?  I don't know, kind of frustrating for all involved.

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8 hours ago, kj2018 said:

There was an article today talking about how the Tigers were near league bottom in terms of turning DP's, and the writer (I think McCoskey on Det News) suggested that one thing the Tigers may do is move Schoop back to his natural position at 2B.

That jas paid off in the first two innings on D as he turned both, the 2nd one most likely does not get turned by any other infielder on the Tigers roster.

I've been pining for Schoop to play his natural 2B position since the season started...but what do I know, I'm just some schlub and dont get paid the big bucks like the Tigers coaching staff.

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Again, I think Morris' comment was very much contingent on the situation in the game (ie. up three runs late in a game), not a general statement that homers are better than walks in all cases.

His point is that traffic on the base paths is what you need to come back from three runs down, whereas a solo homer isn't a prerequisite for coming back from 3 runs down.

I dont know what data analytics say about his assertion, for all I know its still wrong. But there is a logic to it.

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10 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Again, I think Morris' comment was very much contingent on the situation in the game (ie. up three runs late in a game), not a general statement that homers are better than walks in all cases.

His point is that traffic on the base paths is what you need to come back from three runs down, whereas a solo homer isn't a prerequisite for coming back from 3 runs down.

I dont know what data analytics say about his assertion, for all I know its still wrong. But there is a logic to it.

Agree; he was saying throw strikes and live with results; don't walk anyone at that point in the game

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7 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I can’t think of any cases where giving up a home run is better than giving up a walk. 

I can't think of many cases where giving up a walk when you are up by 3 runs is preferable to throwing strikes and trying to get guys out.

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3 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

Agree; he was saying throw strikes and live with results; don't walk anyone at that point in the game

Neither giving up a homer nor giving up a walk late with a short lead is good, but giving up a homer cuts into the lead and giving up a walk does not. He’d already given up two other walks before that and neither runner scored. 

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26 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Again, I think Morris' comment was very much contingent on the situation in the game (ie. up three runs late in a game), not a general statement that homers are better than walks in all cases.

His point is that traffic on the base paths is what you need to come back from three runs down, whereas a solo homer isn't a prerequisite for coming back from 3 runs down.

I dont know what data analytics say about his assertion, for all I know its still wrong. But there is a logic to it.

It is never better to give up a homer than a walk.  Giving up a homer can be the same as a walk in a given situation, but it can never be better.  

If he is saying that he wants a pitcher to challenge a hitter rather than giving him a free pass and he blames a pitcher more for a walk than a homer in the bottom of the ninth with a three-run lead, then that makes sense. However, the home run result can not be better than the walk result.  

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8 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

14 games in May at 7 and 7. Not much chance of finishing the month at 500 given the schedule but even half a month at 500 has been  a rare thing.

also, in 4th place by a full game; and ahead of Colorado as well; 28th place!

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My take on worst outcome for a first hitter of 9th with a 3 run lead:

1. Walk - indicates pitcher losing his focus, command, creates the runner-on situation - leading to an almost immediate theft of second on defensive indifference.  If its after a long battle even worse.

2. double - barreling the ball and puts traffic on the bases

3. single - similar to walk but may be a fluky flare and doesn't indicate lack of command

4. triple - may be a bit exciting and puts a runner on to cause pitcher to think about

5. HR - over and done.  Indicates pitcher got burned on one pitch not 4 poorly placed. 

A lot of those outcomes are due to moral and physical stress they place on the pitcher.

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19 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

It is never better to give up a homer than a walk.  Giving up a homer can be the same as a walk in a given situation, but it can never be better.  

If he is saying that he wants a pitcher to challenge a hitter rather than giving him a free pass and he blames a pitcher more for a walk than a homer in the bottom of the ninth with a three-run lead, then that makes sense. However, the home run result can not be better than the walk result.  

This is how I interpreted his comment when I saw the broadcast.

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43 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

It is never better to give up a homer than a walk.  Giving up a homer can be the same as a walk in a given situation, but it can never be better.  

If he is saying that he wants a pitcher to challenge a hitter rather than giving him a free pass and he blames a pitcher more for a walk than a homer in the bottom of the ninth with a three-run lead, then that makes sense. However, the home run result can not be better than the walk result.  

 

Yeah  - I think that was the core of his point - that  the walk is something that is 100% the pitcher's responsibility.  So from the *pitcher's* view, it's important to still be attacking hitters and not being tentative because that is how you get yourself in bigger trouble. So sure that make sense. Say that from the pitcher's perspective it is the intention that is important  - his commitment to still be competing. (EDIT: I see I just followed what MT just posted...)

That said,  that still doesn't mean that is how the people other than the pitcher - namely the manager, should view things, especially at the end of a game. From the  managers perspective of course it is the result that is more important.  If his pitcher gives up a HR late in a game when he had been dominant it could also mean he is tired and leaving the ball up and about get roasted if he doesn't go get him. The manager still has to consider the rest of the walk's context - how is the guy throwing, has he lost command on one of his pitches, did the ump squeeze him etc.

 Mizes velo had fallen off. And while someone compared his start to a Verlander game, that was one difference. Mize did not come out in the 8th with that little extra that JV always did when he knew it was his last inning . I think Hinch's idea to give him three batters whether or not it was 3 outs was a fair one.

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9 hours ago, kj2018 said:

Haase making a pitch to stay up with the bigs no matter what else happens.

Hey, if someone comes up here and does something positive, he should stay.   Make the others justify their spot on this team.  I would say the only 100% safe guys are Miggy, Candy, Baddoo and maybe Schoop.  Nobody else should be an automatic.    I am surprised they aren't using Haase at first.......

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4 hours ago, Casimir said:

His hitting this season after last season might just have led to a complete funk?  He might have been so-so at SS and then this set back occurs and then he gets shuffled to 2B, and now he's just in an all out slump at the plate and in the field?  I don't know, kind of frustrating for all involved.

Early on I got a vibe that the org wasn't all that sold on Willi's makeup. They always sort of soft pedalled what he was doing in the minors while they talked up everyone else and it left me thinking maybe he had an issue like not taking his work seriously enough - but who knows?  Players are all different. Just as the contrast - and not to talk him up in particular but you notice W Castro's lack of 'natural' reflexes at 2b and then you think about a guy like Paredes, about whom I heard that you can put him anywhere as a fielder and he has almost a natural intuition for what to do. (note that is not the same thing as saying he is necessarily good at it)

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"We just executed the plan," Mize said. "The plan was to go sinker-slider to the right-handed hitters and four-seam-curveball to the lefties. We were able to execute it."

One of those lefties was Kelenic, who was the sixth overall pick in the 2018 draft, the same draft that Mize went first overall. Kelenic got a broken bat single in the first, but Mize struck him out in the third and got him to pop out in the sixth.

And you know he wanted him again in the eighth.

"I told AJ that I could've gotten him and he told me we have a guy that literally gets paid to get lefties out and be in that position," Mize said, chuckling. "And honestly, he said it was my fault for giving up the leadoff home run. He said if I got him out we wouldn't be in that position, which is true. 

 

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Just watched a video on YouTube and the guy was talking about an Angels Mariners game and he kept saying Mareeeners............I mean, come on man,  come on.  I just want to strangle that guy.   Maybe you shouldn't be doing analysis of baseball games on your channel if you don't know the name of a team that has been around since 1977.       

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1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Hey, if someone comes up here and does something positive, he should stay.   Make the others justify their spot on this team.  I would say the only 100% safe guys are Miggy, Candy, Baddoo and maybe Schoop.  Nobody else should be an automatic.    I am surprised they aren't using Haase at first.......

I wondered a bit that they put him in left instead of right. I would have thought that being a catcher he would have a relatively strong arm - at least as strong as Grossman's, whose is nothing to write home about. But I guess IF throwing and OF throwing don't always correlate. Or maybe the theory is at COPA they won't want him in left because he doesn't have the wheels so let him get used to one side.

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