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ESPN Report: Michigan missed signs of abusive doctor

I think it is time to end the cult like, hero worship of Bo Schembechler and his era at Michigan. After all of the complaints are heard and an investigation is done I suspect, based on what we know now, that Bo did indeed know what was going on with Dr. Anderson and was apart of or at least a party to the cover up by the university. Schembechler Hall ought be renamed once we get more victims that come forward and (likely) confirm that Schembechler knew. He's little to no better than Joe Pa at this point.

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Of course he did.  How could ne not?     Take the statue down.   

I think this isn't getting as much play because people don't think of big tough football guys as victims like undersized female gymnasts or young teenage boys with no fathers at home (Sandusky's M.O.).   They don't understand what happens to a victim, regardless of how tough they are, when they are facing a huge institution.  

 

I am willing to be there is a Sandusky/Anderson/Nasser at every single major college and those Presidents are praying it doesn't come out.     What a sick world we live in.   Money over All.   It's sad. 

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Surprised this did not get much attention.  I am starting to read through the report, 240 pages, but I have always hated the "take the statue down" type response.  Just from the start it SOUNDS like there is plausible deniability for Bo...it did NOT sound like that at the start for Paterno.  

I am going to have to read the full report.  

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So a few pages in and it is pretty obvious Anderson was a creep and sexually abused people.  I do not think that part is in question at all.  I am not sure how kids old enough to be in college just go along with that, even praying on feeble minded people.  Did those same patients keep going back to him?

Again only a few pages in.  I am curious about the universities response...and why even with a wiff of these allegations...they kept using him as the Dr?

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Bo's own son Matt will be coming forward with evidence that his father knew of Anderson's abuse.   That is explosive. 

Maybe it's time to stop treating big time university coaches like icons............most of them are dirty somehow.   Enough of these cults. It's just a stupid sport.   

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The statue needs to come down, Schembechler Hall needs to be renamed, and the glorification of Schembechler as a demi-God around Ann Arbor needs to end. As MCS said, this propping up of college coaches and athletes needs to end. Schembechler is a pile of **** as a human being. This gives a whole new meaning to Bo Knows. Hopefully this ends the whole "Michigan Man" thing once and for all. 

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None of this is funny, but I had to laugh the other day when instead of just passing on the question when he had a chance (e.g. I was young then, wasn't plugging into knowing much about went on with the docs etc., etc., ) Harbaugh dove right into defending Bo. As bad a strategy as most of his coaching moves - as there was zero upside to engaging the question at this point - the only thing that could happen is what seems to be happening, which is that he is proved more clueless himself.

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18 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

None of this is funny, but I had to laugh the other day when instead of just passing on the question when he had a chance (e.g. I was young then, wasn't plugging into knowing much about went on with the docs etc., etc., ) Harbaugh dove right into defending Bo. As bad a strategy as most of his coaching moves - as there was zero upside to engaging the question at this point - the only thing that could happen is what seems to be happening, which is that he is proved more clueless himself.

This seems to be the catalyst for tomorrow's press conference.    Harbaugh might be one of those guys who is so insulated and surround by "you are the greatest thing ever" types that he believes he can't do any wrong.  It was such a tone deaf answer.      Protecting the brand name over protecting your son?   So disgusting.   What a garbage human being.  

The frightening reality is that most college sports program probably has had one of these predators and it was covered up.   Gone are the days of 3 tv stations and 2 newspapers that you could threaten into staying quiet.   Good.  

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10 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Harbaugh might be one of those guys who is so insulated and surround by "you are the greatest thing ever" types that he believes he can't do any wrong.  It was such a tone deaf answer. 

Seriously, I don't know how you can reach adulthood in this world and ever feel secure vouching for what another person may have ever done or not done. You have to eventually come to the conclusion that every other person, even those you think you know well, is essentially a mystery wrapped in their own individual enigma. Ask me a direct question about what I have 1st hand knowledge about a person, fine. Please don't ask me what their life is like when I don't see it because no-one can guess.

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This shouldn’t be a difficult handle for UM since all the main parties are dead.   It’s very different than Penn St.    The legacies of Bo and Don Canham are going to have to take the hit for the good of the school.   The statues must come down and names off the buildings.   Any long public debates on if they knew are  just not worth it for the University and the football program. It doesn’t matter.   Take the medicine and move on the best that you can.   

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21 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

This shouldn’t be a difficult handle for UM since all the main parties are dead.   It’s very different than Penn St.    The legacies of Bo and Don Canham are going to have to take the hit for the good of the school.   The statues must come down and names off the buildings.   Any long public debates on if they knew are  just not worth it for the University and the football program. It doesn’t matter.   Take the medicine and move on the best that you can.   

The legacies deserve it because they are scum.  

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Bo Schembechler's son says he was sexually assaulted by Dr. Robert Anderson more than 50 years ago, and that when he told his dad, the University of Michigan's legendary football coach refused to hear about it and intervened to save the physician's job.

In an interview Wednesday with The Detroit News, Matthew Schembechler said he told his famous father in 1969 that Anderson had sexually molested him during a physical examination to play in a youth football league when he was 10 years old and weighed 60 pounds. The elder Schembechler, who was coaching his first season, went into a rage, told him he didn't want to hear about it and punched him in the chest so hard that he flew across the kitchen floor, his son said.

Now 62, Schembechler said that his mother invited then-UM Athletic Director Don Canham over to their house so he could tell Canham what had happened with Anderson. 

"(Canham) talked to Anderson and terminated him nearly immediately," said Schembechler, who lives in Ann Arbor. "Bo went to him and said, 'I need him, he is our team doctor, reinstate him,' and he did."

"It was the first time of many that I felt betrayed by Bo."

Schembechler is sharing his story at a Thursday press conference, where he plans to discuss how his father failed to protect him and others from Anderson, a longtime UM physician who is deceased but accused by more than 800 people of sexual assault.

He spoke for nearly an hour with The Detroit News on Wednesday about the claims he plans to speak of publicly, including the night he told Schembechler about Anderson's alleged abuse.

"I was confused why he was mad at me," said Matthew Schembechler, who is part of the legal proceedings against UM related to Anderson. "Bo would not talk about it. Bo did what was best for Bo."

UM officials declined to comment Wednesday on Schembechler's allegations.

Schembechler will be joined by two former UM football players who also say they told the late coach about Anderson's abuse. 

"Bo’s mantra: 'The team, The team.' The team came first," said Okemos-based lawyer Mick Grewal, who is representing Schembechler's son. "The brand came first. Michigan came first ahead of students, athletes — and his own son."

Schembechler's statement pushes back the timeline of when UM officials allegedly became aware of Anderson's behavior during exams by 10 years.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/06/09/schembechler-son-discuss-anderson-say-he-told-dad-abuse/7622194002/

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7 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

 

I don't get it, why would Bo need any particular doctor? Did Anderson have some leverage on Bo?

Of course Bo is dead, Canham is dead, Millie is dead. You hope this isn't Matt getting the last laugh on a Stepfather he maybe didn't care for?

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I thought maybe the Michigan media mafia (which is much more far reaching than we'll ever know) got this website shutdown.     .....And I'm only half-joking there.        

Jim Brandstetter needs to be quiet.      To refer to Schemy as Bo's "naturally-born son" was an absolutely disgusting swipe at Matt Schembechler.   Come on man,  we all know what you were doing there.    Maybe Schemmy didn't experience anything with Anderson because by the time he was growing up Bo knew to keep him away from Anderson or Anderson knew better not to mess with the son of the most powerfum man in Ann Arbor.  

Michigan is really ******* this up here and too many levels.   There needs to be one voice about this and only one voice and that's it.  Maybe it's the University President, maybe someone he appoints, but it sure as **** doesn't need to be Jim Brandstetter.      

Scientologists don't talk bad about L. Ron Hubbard either.  

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This thread is heart-breaking.  You hope that the heroes of your youth don't turn out to be terrible people.  I had heard anecdotally that the 1984 Tigers were pretty obnoxious towards a woman who was a Lakeland waitress during that time and heard some specific stories about how they treated her.   I don't think the same way about them now. 

Bo was a jerk as President of the Tigers.  Whatever wonderful things he might have done as coach of Michigan was significantly diminished by how he treated that period.  He might not have been responsible for firing Ernie Harwell but...come on.   Him having a zero sum mentality and overlooking things he shouldn't for "the good of the team"  isn't surprising at all. 

Jim Brandstatter should check himself before he wrecks himself.  Don't react emotionally and try to learn the facts.

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4 hours ago, ROMAD1 said:

This thread is heart-breaking.  You hope that the heroes of your youth don't turn out to be terrible people.  I had heard anecdotally that the 1984 Tigers were pretty obnoxious towards a woman who was a Lakeland waitress during that time and heard some specific stories about how they treated her.   I don't think the same way about them now. 

Bo was a jerk as President of the Tigers.  Whatever wonderful things he might have done as coach of Michigan was significantly diminished by how he treated that period.  He might not have been responsible for firing Ernie Harwell but...come on.   Him having a zero sum mentality and overlooking things he shouldn't for "the good of the team"  isn't surprising at all. 

Jim Brandstatter should check himself before he wrecks himself.  Don't react emotionally and try to learn the facts.

I think all big time college football and basketball coaches are pretty horrible people.   We need to stop idolizing them.  They're in it for a buck,  not for anything noble.  

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On 6/15/2021 at 3:10 PM, Motor City Sonics said:

I thought maybe the Michigan media mafia (which is much more far reaching than we'll ever know) got this website shutdown.     .....And I'm only half-joking there.        

Jim Brandstetter needs to be quiet.      To refer to Schemy as Bo's "naturally-born son" was an absolutely disgusting swipe at Matt Schembechler.   Come on man,  we all know what you were doing there.    Maybe Schemmy didn't experience anything with Anderson because by the time he was growing up Bo knew to keep him away from Anderson or Anderson knew better not to mess with the son of the most powerfum man in Ann Arbor.  

Michigan is really ******* this up here and too many levels.   There needs to be one voice about this and only one voice and that's it.  Maybe it's the University President, maybe someone he appoints, but it sure as **** doesn't need to be Jim Brandstetter.      

Scientologists don't talk bad about L. Ron Hubbard either.  

it's getting to be a regular Rashomon. Today Goldman comes out with a narrative that it was all Canham - Bo wanted Anderson gone but Canham wouldn't, which of course is exactly the converse of Matt Schembechler's narrative.  Which is three corners to Schembechler's other kids.

The Anderson was a perv. The rest of the truth about everyone else involved is 'out there' as they would say on the X-files, but I doubt we will ever come close to knowing it.

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1 hour ago, Gehringer_2 said:

it's getting to be a regular Rashomon. Today Goldman comes out with a narrative that it was all Canham - Bo wanted Anderson gone but Canham wouldn't, which of course is exactly the converse of Matt Schembechler's narrative.  Which is three corners to Schembechler's other kids.

The Anderson was a perv. The rest of the truth about everyone else involved is 'out there' as they would say on the X-files, but I doubt we will ever come close to knowing it.

Doesn't matter.  Goldman was early 80's, right?   Bo was the most powerful man in Ann Arbor at that point.    Sounds lto me like Bo and Canham might have had a Good Cop/Bad Cop type of thing going on.    Jon Vaughn didn't mince words when it came to Bo.  They all knew and if any of them knew and allowed it to continue, their legacies should be destroyed.  That goes for Bill McCartney, Les Miles, Lloyd Carr and Gary Moeller too.  Can't tell me they didn't know.  

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8 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I wouldn't go that far; the truth always matters.

The truth is that Bo knew and passed it along and then did not follow up on it.  He's complicit.   Like that assistant coach at Penn St who saw what Sandusky was doing in the shower and telling JoPa and seeing that it went nowhere.    These predators are empowered by their enablers.   And because of his reputation of working with the football team, Anderson was allowed to work with Ann Arbor Public Schools.   I think the lack of widespread outrage is because most people see these big, tough football guys differently than other "helpless" victims.      Well school children may have been victims too.   And Larry Nasser studied under this guy.   Nasser was doing his disgusting stuff with parents actually in the room.   We put a lot of trust in doctors, and we should, but this is just so sick.  

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