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2 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

This is a very lucid explanation but it leaves me with one other question - which is how do you see pitch recognition tying into swing mechanics? Specifically, is one way a player can improve apparent lack of pitch recognition to shorten his mechanics to give himself more time to look? IOW we're talking about a player that really is not improving his perceptual apparatus, I would agree that isn't happening in anyone's mid 20s if it ever was, but finding a way to better compensate for it? Granted there is no free lunch - the shift may cost the player something else - like maybe some of his power profile. As an example it seems like this is what Derek Hill has tried to do.

Sure, players can compensate in different ways -- sometimes. In Kreidler's case, however, he's already short to the ball with a snappy, wrist-heavy swing. There's not much of an avenue for that to change/improve more to compensate for lack of pitch recognition. That's where the trouble projecting his offensive profile (and overall profile, really) hits a snag. I don't see a path to him appreciably altering his time in the batter's box to make meaningful changes to his offensive profile.

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So, if the current trade space in baseball improvement is maximizing your existing pitcher and developing pitcher's spin (e.g., Fetter, spincinnatti), it appears the future trade space is figuring out how to improve your batter's recognition of spin.

That seems like it could be done with some technical focus.  Likely is being done somewhere by people who make money at this and not those like me who waste their employer's money on this forum.

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1 hour ago, Microline133 said:

My issue with Kreidler's bat isn't so much his hands or his swing mechanics. They both work well enough (I can quibble with his barrel control a bit, but that's relatively minor in the grand scheme of his offensive profile). My issue comes back to his pitch recognition. I've yet to see him consistently identify spin/soft and react appropriately to it, and that's a considerable red flag when you're looking for him to substantially cut his strikeout rate. Sure, in some instances pitch recognition can be improved with reps, but that's also a bit of fool's gold when it comes to expected developmental outcomes....generally speaking, if you're going to see any substantive growth in pitch recognition, it comes earlier in a player's developmental profile, not later. For a college player a couple years removed from the draft, that's relatively late to see marked improvement in pitch recognition. It could happen, but I wouldn't really put good odds on it....that's really what holds me back from an everyday projection for him and keeps him squarely in the utility realm.

i would expect anyone who takes a leap forward in talent level, from short season to AA, to lag behind in this area. The fact that he has held his own in AA is promising, and the fact that he has made only minor improvement as the year progressed is not. However, I think the jury is still out until he is allowed more reps at higher levels.

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35 minutes ago, Longgone said:

i would expect anyone who takes a leap forward in talent level, from short season to AA, to lag behind in this area. The fact that he has held his own in AA is promising, and the fact that he has made only minor improvement as the year progressed is not. However, I think the jury is still out until he is allowed more reps at higher levels.

Agreed on both...there's leeway to be given but also some discouragement at lack of progress on the pitch recognition front throughout the year.

In addition, as a general rule with prospects, if a negative trait is a continuation of issues that were identified as part of their amateur profile, I'm even less inclined to believe positive change is on the horizon. For Kreidler, recognition of spin/soft and swing and miss were issues during his time at UCLA.

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12 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Erie loses 2-1 to Richmond: Brieske 5IP 3H 2ER 1BB 8K

Mudhens  5-2 over Indianapolis: Shore 6IP 3H 1ER 3K; Clemens 2/3 HR(12); Kreidler 2/2 BB; Greene,Baddoo 3K :depress:

I love me some Brieske.

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Pipeline has some value, and they just added him at 28

Scouting grades: Fastball: 50 | Curveball: 40 | Slider: 50 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 55 | Overall: 40

Brieske, a 6-foot-3 right-hander wasn’t exactly on a lot of radars going into the 2019 Draft. He had pitched two years at Glendale Community College in his native Arizona before transferring to Division II Colorado State-Pueblo as a junior. Pitching in the thin air, he posted a 5.42 ERA over 14 starts with the ThunderWolves but did manage to miss bats with 116 strikeouts in 79 2/3 innings. The Tigers grabbed Brieske in the 27th round and signed him for $75,000 as a potential depth arm. He continued to rack up K’s with 31 in 20 1/3 innings of relief during his first trip to the Minors in 2019 before missing out on a first full season last year. Brieske forced the Tigers to pay attention with a breakout first half of 2021 at High-A West Michigan, where he fanned 76 and walked only 15 in 62 2/3 innings prior to a late July promotion to Double-A. 

Brieske will mostly sit around 92-94 with his fastball and can touch a little higher when he really rears back. The best thing about his fastball is his ability to spot it to all four quadrants of the zone. His low-80s changeup is easily his best secondary offering, something that’s been true dating back to his college days. The change separates well off the fastball and has some good fade, leading to swing and misses at the bottom of the zone and some impressive reverse splits. Brieske added a slider during last year’s shutdown, and it remains a work in progress, though he can spot it well. He’ll also mix in a loopy mid-70s curveball that is more of a get-it-over offering than anything else. Brieske is control over command and has no issues filling the zone, as evidenced by his opening 2021 with four straight walkless starts. 

Hurlers with four pitches and good control will always find spots in an organization, and folks in the Detroit organization admit Brieske’s 2021 ascent is getting him more consideration within the system. A lack of standout stuff blunts his potential to be a high-impact starter at the top level, but a fifth spot in the rotation/bulk arm out of the bullpen could be within reach if Brieske’s ascent continues apace.

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Thanks Ratko, speaking of pipeline they put out their best tools among all mlb prospects and Tork was the only guy to get a 70. Jobe had the highest rated slider and only pitcher to get a 70 there too. Pretty crazy that it's already rated that high. 

 

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Great finish to the Hen's game. Going into the bottom of the 9th down two, JaCoby GIDP after a Clemens single. With 2 down, Kreidler double2, Stewart triples, Baddoo and Paredes walk to load the bases for Torkelson, who sees 6 pitches but Ks.

Kreidler 2/4 with that double, BA 600 since his promotion, Greene with a triple.

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10 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Great finish to the Hen's game. Going into the bottom of the 9th down two, JaCoby GIDP after a Clemens single. With 2 down, Kreidler double2, Stewart triples, Baddoo and Paredes walk to load the bases for Torkelson, who sees 6 pitches but Ks.

Kreidler 2/4 with that double, BA 600 since his promotion, Greene with a triple.

Yes, it was fun at the end, but blech in the end.

Rodriguez gave Torkelson a bit of a workout on throws from 3B last night.  Got his stretching for throws in, came off of the bag to make the catch and deftly plant a tag on the batter right before reaching safely.  But there was a throw or two that just didn't connect.

Greene looks pretty smooth in the OF in the limited time that I've seen him.

Jones had a bad game.  He misplayed a single to LF that allowed two on the play to score whereas handling it cleanly probably leaves the bases loaded.

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24 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Keith looking like he should be in WM, not sure how much time is left on the season so they may just keep him in Lakeland for the remainder but it appears that he is too good for that level. 

I like the idea of moving him even if it's only for a couple of weeks because he's that much more settled there when the next season starts. The clock doesn't stop ticking on these guys for an org to make a easy or lazy decision. Keep 'em moving up as soon as they are ready.

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24 minutes ago, ROMAD1 said:

The bad last couple days in AAA.   Hopefully, he rights the ship.  Hopefully his concussion isn't a lasting issue.

Two walks and what may have been a triple last night if it hadn't ended the game. 

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