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Does Al Avila make it to Memorial Day 2021

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How about,... Bally's buys the team, moves it to Las Vegas, and steals the cheese off the Oakland A's pizza in  the process?

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I don't think Al will get bumped up to President.  He may stick around as "senior advisor" or some other nonsense just to collect a decent paycheck and insurance.  I'm also not sure on doing these things in the middle of a season. With DD it was different as everybody else just stayed around.... I don't want 'everybody else'.  It's not working.  Or if those guys are still good but Al and Chadd are not paying attention to it.... who knows.

But then again Chicago did that with Hahn and Kenny Williams didn't they?

 

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two things can be equally true:

1) the tigers shouldnt have thrown around a bunch of money to free agents this year because the team isnt ready compete, is probably not making a lot money (in comparison with previous years), and there was no one who could really move the needle who would sign here.

2) the fact that the tigers are in this place is an indictment of al avila who has been in charge of player development for over 5 years and has not brought up anyone who is any good.

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1 hour ago, HeyAbbott said:

We might as well get used to it. There will be no changes To me, the situation seems to be:

Ownership is trying to be frugal. Whether the team wins 1 or 100 games, there will only be 8,000 butts max in the seats. Why spend money, when the goal probably right now is to conserve cash? I would think that other Illitch businesses right now might be paddling hard to make loan payments, but I might be wrong.

This team is not going anywhere. To be marginally successful, they need at least 3 quality bullpen arms, and 4 or more average MLB position players. Far too many holes to patch.

Miggy is nothing but a sideshow now. The organization needs a draw, and fans will show up or tune in as long as there is a chance he will attempt to play.

They have a scapegoat in place-- Avila . He will be sacrificed as needed. They need him to take the blame for everything, including the absolutely abysmal record of the farm system's failure to identify, attract, develop properly, and retain ball players.

I have been entertaining thoughts recently if there is a move afoot to sell or move the team, butsuch thoughts are probably ill-advised right now.

 

The heck of it is that if Chris gave AA an average amount of payroll to work with, even a doofus like him could build a watchable team (70-75 wins) pretty quickly.

The bullpen could be made decent or above average fairly quickly with a modest outlay and more consistent D and SP.  By next year that could be there, by adding 2 decent OFers and  slugging 1Bman/DH type.

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I feel differently, if the Tigers were throwing money around, I'd at least give them credit for trying. The way things are now makes it appear that they WANT it this way.

I say "get spendy" and see what happens....from a fan's perspective it can't get much worse. :pirate:

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1 minute ago, DumberAndLeaner said:

I feel differently, if the Tigers were throwing money around, I'd at least give them credit for trying. The way things are now makes it appear that they WANT it this way.

I say "get spendy" and see what happens....from a fan's perspective it can't get much worse. :pirate:

who do you think they should have signed?

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THAT, is another matter entirely. I'll have to give it due thought before answering, My earlier comment was geared towards your apparent desire to just "give them a pass"  because you felt it wasn't time yet. I'm not opposed to signing talent in order to expedite the time line.

 

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Of course I also believe there is likely a form of soft collusion going on, where the owners are trying to avoid the old bidding wars that drove player contracts into the stratosphere. 

So, if they've decided the world is a better place without Mike Ilitch driving up the value of top talent free agents, (aka "the Goode Olde Days)  then there is little I can say as a fan that they are going to listen to anyway.

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On 5/1/2021 at 5:22 PM, mtutiger said:

Not that it will change Chris's behavior, but some of the frank commentary coming from Dan Dickerson and Jim Price about how bad this team is playing could potentially get awkward down the road.

How do you think that will manifest itself? 

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1 minute ago, chasfh said:

How do you think that will manifest itself? 

With a new radio team of an eager Little Caesar's employee who went to Specs Howard and played little league baseball for a couple of years and Craig Monroe.  

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Just now, Motor City Sonics said:

With a new radio team of an eager Little Caesar's employee who went to Specs Howard and played little league baseball for a couple of years and Craig Monroe.  

Its amazing how much Dan Dickerson has turned the Ernie Harwell institution corner.  He's there.  He's a cherished member of Mount Rushmore of Detroit play-by-play broadcasters now.

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Lynn Henning and Chris McCosky will be the house organs next year.

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58 minutes ago, DumberAndLeaner said:

Of course I also believe there is likely a form of soft collusion going on, where the owners are trying to avoid the old bidding wars that drove player contracts into the stratosphere. 

So, if they've decided the world is a better place without Mike Ilitch driving up the value of top talent free agents, (aka "the Goode Olde Days)  then there is little I can say as a fan that they are going to listen to anyway.

the best players are getting paid lots and lots of money and for lots and lots of years.  

what has changed is that the owners are giving out less long expensive contracts to role players, instead focusing on using the system to their advantage and getting the most out of their assets for six cost controlled years and then letting them leave.

its not collusion, its intelligence.

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1 minute ago, kdog said:

Lynn Henning and Chris McCosky will be the house organs next year.

LH is living on some plantation in SC or Georgia now. 

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1 minute ago, ROMAD1 said:

Its amazing how much Dan Dickerson has turned the Ernie Harwell institution corner.  He's there.  He's a cherished member of Mount Rushmore of Detroit play-by-play broadcasters now.

Dan is a local guy, but I wonder if another team wanted him if he would go.    He's 62 now, and the way this is going he's going to be 70 before they even have a chance of being good again (unless Chris sells the team).  

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12 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Dan is a local guy, but I wonder if another team wanted him if he would go.    He's 62 now, and the way this is going he's going to be 70 before they even have a chance of being good again (unless Chris sells the team).  

He's been a local guy.  There is a value in being a cherished institution even if the team stinks. 

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Yah, I was thrilled too when Verlander,  Scherzer,  Martinez, Porcello, Price, Sanchez, and Maybin were all able to get their rings, but I couldn't help thinking that with just a little bit less  organizational "intelligence", they might have done so in Detroit.

I just don't see avoiding star caliber contracts as a viable strategy toward winning championships, no matter how hard the mucky-mucks are patting themselves on the back over tightfisted  economics. 

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Mccosky is wrong a lot...so maybe we should bet on immediate action.

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23 hours ago, Buddha said:

i dont know, we could be looking at a league wide drop in offense back to the late 60s level. 

if that's the case, this team could definitely challenge some records.

I don’t think that’s going to happen, unless you’re considering only batting average as being offense.

Home runs are almost double now what they were in 1968, and 2B-3B combined are also some +15% higher. What’s down dramatically is singles, from 5.90 per game to 4.94 per game. That’s because the ball is so juiced, leading to way more strikeouts and fewer balls in play, of course. About 60% of the difference in singles is made up by increased walks and HBPs, which also keeps run scoring up.

Overall, though, 2021’s per team average of 4.33 runs is almost a full run higher than 1968’s 3.42. It is, in fact, within the range of historical norms, and actually the exact same as it was in 1985. It’s just that 1985 was so much more entertaining in terms of variety. 

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13 minutes ago, kdog said:

Mccosky is wrong a lot...so maybe we should bet on immediate action.

I don't have any issue with anything he wrote in that column though. I think people tend to think the writers are more privy than they are. I think is does happen sometimes where a GM might have a favorite to leak to like Henning probably was for DD, but even then they are not controlling what they do or don't find out. OTOH COVID has isolated them a lot from their regular sources so I have some sympathy that they are even more secondary players than normal.

The odd thing about the Tigers and Avila is that if anything Avila never shuts up. He's not hiding anything - it's not like there is some secret to what they are doing, they are just failing with all the plans right out in the open. I don't think there is some great hidden story out there for a reporter to go dig up.

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