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24 minutes ago, kdog said:

 

 The current White Sox have three starters they acquired through the US draft: Madrigal, Anderson, and Rodon, who, finally, at age 28 may being breaking through.  Vaughn could be in this discussion soon. Every other major contributor on the Sox was acquired via trade, free agency, or the international market.

As has been mentioned numerous times on this site, a franchise cannot expect to contend relying heavily on talent acquired through the US draft. You must also win trades, be active in the international markets, and make smart free agent acquisitions. The White Sox have done all that. The Sox would be flailing about in the same waters as the Tigers if they hadn't won big on a handful of trades, scored major hits on the international markets, and made a couple of shrewd free agent signings.

After 5 years I have seen no evidence that Avila is capable of winning big on trades. He had a chance to turbocharge the rebuild when he dealt two superstars (imagine if Avila had added Jiminez, Moncado, and Giolito in those trades instead of Lugo, et al). In his defense, he has at least ramped up the Tigers activity in the international markets. De la Cruz, Reyes, Campos, and Santana are all intriguing, and if there had been a minor league season last year there may be a bit more optimism about the future (or more pessimism). 

Anyway, further proof that looking at a franchise's prospect list and projecting that half or more or them will be part of your next contending team is pure folly. 

 

 

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50 minutes ago, SeattleMike said:

 

. In his defense, he has at least ...

this seems to be where discussions on Avila always end up ..."He has at least....." 

That is why the other day I described it as the playbook being fine, but the sense of urgency is missing. It's like Chris has tasked Al to produce a winner 'sometime before I'm as old as my father was....'

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17 hours ago, SeattleMike said:

 The current White Sox have three starters they acquired through the US draft: Madrigal, Anderson, and Rodon, who, finally, at age 28 may being breaking through.  Vaughn could be in this discussion soon. Every other major contributor on the Sox was acquired via trade, free agency, or the international market.

As has been mentioned numerous times on this site, a franchise cannot expect to contend relying heavily on talent acquired through the US draft. You must also win trades, be active in the international markets, and make smart free agent acquisitions. The White Sox have done all that. The Sox would be flailing about in the same waters as the Tigers if they hadn't won big on a handful of trades, scored major hits on the international markets, and made a couple of shrewd free agent signings.

After 5 years I have seen no evidence that Avila is capable of winning big on trades. He had a chance to turbocharge the rebuild when he dealt two superstars (imagine if Avila had added Jiminez, Moncado, and Giolito in those trades instead of Lugo, et al). In his defense, he has at least ramped up the Tigers activity in the international markets. De la Cruz, Reyes, Campos, and Santana are all intriguing, and if there had been a minor league season last year there may be a bit more optimism about the future (or more pessimism). 

Anyway, further proof that looking at a franchise's prospect list and projecting that half or more or them will be part of your next contending team is pure folly. 

 

 

It amazes me how much people revise the White Sox rebuild

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2 hours ago, SeattleMike said:

... Anyway, further proof that looking at a franchise's prospect list and projecting that half or more or them will be part of your next contending team is pure folly...

That's what she said...

In Spring Training 1977 when all we could do was look at the Tigers' prospect list of Jason Thompson, Steve Kemp, Lou Whitaker, Alan Trammell, Lance Parrish, Jack Morris, Dan Petry, Tom Veryzer, Dave Rozema, Kirk Gibson, Howard Johnson & Glenn Wilson...

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21 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

That's what she said...

In Spring Training 1977 when all we could do was look at the Tigers' prospect list of Jason Thompson, Steve Kemp, Lou Whitaker, Alan Trammell, Lance Parrish, Jack Morris, Dan Petry, Tom Veryzer, Dave Rozema, Kirk Gibson, Howard Johnson & Glenn Wilson...

I find the addition of Tom Veryzer to this list funny. When a franchise's rebuild bottoms out and they have a worst in baseball type bad year there is usually one awful regular that reaches humorous levels of ineptitude.

As the 68 team aged and retired in the 70's they finished last every year it seemed like from 74-77. Tom Veryzer was the everyday SS in 77 and hit like .197/230/250 for a sub 500 OPS for the year. He did steal a bag though.

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11 hours ago, Stanley68 said:

I find the addition of Tom Veryzer to this list funny...

I thought I deleted him off there... I don't know how I ended up thinking about Veryzer and putting him on the list to begin with...

But anyways...

Those 70's Memories...

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