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I thought maybe we should start a thread on this season instead of just continuing on with the debacle of last season.

Information is beginning to trickle out from the spring practices/game.  Anybody think Bowman has a shot to actually start this fall over McNamara/McCarthy?

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2021/04/what-we-learned-about-michigan-football-this-spring.html

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If Harbaugh stats another xfer QB that should just about do it. The program will be completely dead to me.  🙄

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Bowman has three years of eligibility left.  I have no problem with him winning the job.

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19 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

If Harbaugh stats another xfer QB that should just about do it. The program will be completely dead to me.  🙄

Yep. It should have been over after 2019 when Ohio State blew him off the field. But starting another transfer over a highly touted recruit should be it. This is yet another season that beings with the coach not having a clue who is starting QB is going to be. Another season begins where the last highly recruited QB who started games the prior season left town. Brandon Peters, then Dylan McCaffery, then Joe Milton. Another season with a new set of coordinators in here trying to right the ship. When will Warde Manuel realize it isn't the QBs or other players transferring out of here, it isn't coordinators, but the bum he has recruiting, assembling a staff, and coaching this team?

My only hope for 2021 is that this is Harbaugh's last season. I had so much hope and promise when he came in here. I road the same train as everyone else did thinking he would get us competitive again against Ohio State, win Big Ten Championships and compete for a spot in the CFB Playoffs at least once. Instead, he's turned us into Northwestern, an elite academic school with an above average Big Ten football team that can't hang with the big boys when all is said and done. We're good, but we aren't even close to being great or competitive with the upper echelon of college football. We aren't Vanderbilt or Duke when it comes to football, we're more Northwestern or Stanford now. Great in academics, good in football. Great is 10-2, 11-1, being able to beat your biggest rivals, and win a conference championship. Great is not 3-3 against MSU, 0-6 against Ohio State, and not one conference championship appearance. Good is 9-3, 8-4, 7-5. Good should be acceptable at Northwestern or Stanford, but as Brady Hoke would say: "This is Michigan!"

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18 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Bowman has three years of eligibility left.  I have no problem with him winning the job.

It's not the years of eligibility, it's making the easy choice of the high floor instead of trying to break through to the higher ceiling. And if it's not a higher ceiling, then the QB recruiting hype has just been another charade.

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1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

I like the choice of adding more talent and wins. Everything else is crap.

but it's not like adding a lineman, only one QB plays. If you are saying someone else's transfer who lost his job is better than your very best and most important recruiting effort, that's just not a good look for your program.

I don't think it matters. That  "extension" was just the cover on a slow motion firing. Harbaugh is gone next year.

...and not Not to mention someone just made their top receiving recruit a better offer.

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The slow motion firing is BS. If you want him gone, rip the bandaid off and fire the guy. They should he talking to Luke Fickell now about next year and starting negotiations at whatever number financially it takes to get him here. As The Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiasie would say, everybody's got a price.

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1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

The slow motion firing is BS. If you want him gone, rip the bandaid off and fire the guy. They should he talking to Luke Fickell now about next year and starting negotiations at whatever number financially it takes to get him here. As The Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiasie would say, everybody's got a price.

There is one thing that matters more than wins and losses, and that is the $$$.

IIRC they saved well north of $10 million by trading his buyout rights (which were big) for one more year behind the bench. I don't remember the exact figure but it was a lot of coin. I don't believe that in a year when they weren't going to make any money that wasn't too good an arrangement to pass up. And if attendance is down in the fall (assuming they're allowed to try to sell all the tickets), then showing him the door will be a no-brainer. The athletic dept has little claim on the University general funds - they are mandated to be self supporting. Manuel either needs an donation angel for stuff like this or he has to make his budget work year to year. While not impossible, it would have been tough to buy out Harbaugh and commit a contract for a new coach last year in a year with no ticket sales and no assurance of sales even this year( at least at the time). It should be much easier after next season is over.

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20 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

There is one thing that matters more than wins and losses, and that is the $$$.

IIRC they saved well north of $10 million by trading his buyout rights (which were big) for one more year behind the bench. I don't remember the exact figure but it was a lot of coin. I don't believe that in a year when they weren't going to make any money that wasn't too good an arrangement to pass up. And if attendance is down in the fall (assuming they're allowed to try to sell all the tickets), then showing him the door will be a no-brainer. The athletic dept has little claim on the University general funds - they are mandated to be self supporting. Manuel either needs an donation angel for stuff like this or he has to make his budget work year to year. While not impossible, it would have been tough to buy out Harbaugh and commit a contract for a new coach last year in a year with no ticket sales and no assurance of sales even this year( at least at the time). It should be much easier after next season is over.

It should have happened after the 2019 debacle against Ohio State when they got run off the field. In any case, if we have to suffer through another losing or mediocre season but he's gone after this, fine, I'll accept it. If we have another mediocre or losing season and he isn't fired the fan base is going to either rebel completely or just begin to collapse from apathy.

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15 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

It should have happened after the 2019 debacle against Ohio State when they got run off the field. In any case, if we have to suffer through another losing or mediocre season but he's gone after this, fine, I'll accept it. If we have another mediocre or losing season and he isn't fired the fan base is going to either rebel completely or just begin to collapse from apathy.

I agree I can't see him still being here for '22 either - at least barring a miracle turnaround, and it would be a real miracle because I just don't see where that turnaround can come from.

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So I'm guessing by the tone of what I've read so far, nobody thinks the changes in the coaching staff & recruiting dept. will make any measurable difference?

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9 minutes ago, djhutch said:

So I'm guessing by the tone of what I've read so far, nobody thinks the changes in the coaching staff & recruiting dept. will make any measurable difference?

I think there is a long term and a short term problem. The long term problem is that I don't know if Michigan, as an institution, has it's heart in major college football anymore. I'm not even going to take a position on whether that is a good or bad thing, but I think it is a real thing that reduces pressure on the program to get to the top echelon. But whether that longer term trend is real or not (and I'm sure others have other opinions) and whether there will be pressure enough there eventually if income does not recover, I think there is a growing sense that in the immediate term, the problem at Schembechler Hall is not the staff, it's the boss.

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On 4/19/2021 at 3:31 PM, djhutch said:

So I'm guessing by the tone of what I've read so far, nobody thinks the changes in the coaching staff & recruiting dept. will make any measurable difference?

He's gone through what, 4 OC's since he's been here, still hasn't developed his own quality starting QB and still has an offense that struggles against good competition. When he lost Greg Mattison to Ohio State you could see a clear decline in defensive recruiting as well. Until the guy at the top is gone, I expect nothing to change around here. 7 and 8 win seasons will be the norm at Michigan, but possibly worse.

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Michigan seems to be hiding and its very strange.    Matt Campbell is gonna get grabbed up by another school or the NFL and he's the guy.     They are gonna blow it and hire some other "Michigan Man".     

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34 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Michigan seems to be hiding and its very strange.    Matt Campbell is gonna get grabbed up by another school or the NFL and he's the guy.     They are gonna blow it and hire some other "Michigan Man".     

I hope he's on Warde Manuel's Christmas Card ilst.

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On 4/23/2021 at 10:26 PM, Motor City Sonics said:

Michigan seems to be hiding and its very strange.    Matt Campbell is gonna get grabbed up by another school or the NFL and he's the guy.     They are gonna blow it and hire some other "Michigan Man".     

Matt Campbell never went to Michigan, so he's off the list. As are my top candidates Luke Fickell, Brent Vnebels, Chris Peterson, and PJ Fleck. Can't wait until they name Mike Hart the next Head Coach. It's gotta be someone who played or coached for Boverated Schembechler or is at least a Michigan Man!

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8 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Matt Campbell never went to Michigan, so he's off the list. As are my top candidates Luke Fickell, Brent Vnebels, Chris Peterson, and PJ Fleck. Can't wait until they name Mike Hart the next Head Coach. It's gotta be someone who played or coached for Boverated Schembechler or is at least a Michigan Man!

Of course the irony being that Bo never played for Michigan and in fact once was an assistant coach for the enemy.  

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I was doing sports radio in Ann Arbor at the time Rich Rod came along.   He could have been successful there.  All he needed was a better defensive scheme and an offense that spent a little more time on the field.  He had the athletes on defense, but when he got attacked by the "blue bloods" he kind of got stubbornly defensive and refuse to adjust to a more Big Ten-like defense.  

He made changes (because he was hired to be the head coach, not the tradition-barer for Lloyd-Mo-Bo.   My gosh, the uproar over the fact that his weekly tv show was post-game rather than pre-game was ridiculous.  Just that one thing and the blue bloods went nuts.  It was so stupid.  I know he got in trouble for some things he did at Arizona, but there were no rumors or reports of that behavior from him at Michigan.    Then they bring in Hoke and Hoke couldn't do anything without the okay from Dave Brandon.  I am surprised Brandon didn't force fans coming into the game to put ads on their foreheads.  Everything with him was about some kind of ad being somewhere.   Then he started banning journalists from the press box for being critical.  It was just so awful.  

When Jim Harbaugh came in and was so weird we all laughed and thought it was funny but you can't do that and then not win, I mean really win, not beating a bunch of cupcakes.    I makes me think of Step Brothers where the guys where tuxedos to a sports marketing job and the interviewer thinks its funny and then someone farts and he says "now the tuxedos kind of seem ****** up".    That's how I feel about Harbaugh, now that weirdness is really ****** up.  

And regarding the cupcakes.  Michigan State is never a cupcake in the Michigan game and they seem to be getting better.   Indiana is good now, Maryland is improved and Schiano seems to have Rutgers moving up.   Michigan can't play Purude and Illinois every week.   Michigan is now a bottom half Big Ten team.  They really are.   So much for hero worship.   I bought into it too.  I was completely done after Ohio State hung 62 on them.  He should have been fired the next day.  

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it seems clear that it's win or be gone for him this year, the only question is how many wins could save his job?

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2 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

it seems clear that it's win or be gone for him this year, the only question is how many wins could save his job?

1 win.  The Ohio State game.   I think that is the only thing that saves his job.   And if Warde Manuel isn't vetting several guys OUTSIDE the Michigan program already, he should be gone too.   Congrats on Juwan Howard.  Great hire.  I didn't see it myself, but well done, but Michigan is always Football First.   

 

I guess if they went 11-1 and OSU was the only loss, he'd be back, but I see this as a 6-6 type of team and honestly, I truly don't know, since they've done everything in secret.    They'd better have a flawless performance from their QB this year to have any shot at having a just a decent year.

The program still hasn't recovered from the App State game.    

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On 4/25/2021 at 12:39 PM, Motor City Sonics said:

1 win.  The Ohio State game.   I think that is the only thing that saves his job.   And if Warde Manuel isn't vetting several guys OUTSIDE the Michigan program already, he should be gone too.   Congrats on Juwan Howard.  Great hire.  I didn't see it myself, but well done, but Michigan is always Football First.   

 

I guess if they went 11-1 and OSU was the only loss, he'd be back, but I see this as a 6-6 type of team and honestly, I truly don't know, since they've done everything in secret.    They'd better have a flawless performance from their QB this year to have any shot at having a just a decent year.

The program still hasn't recovered from the App State game.    

I could foresee him not even making it to the Ohio State game if they throw up another turkey against MSU again this year.

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