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1 hour ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

Same speed.. that's it?

I'm not certain why you are so hung up on Max...

You just stated two reasons why Max's FB is NOTHING like Mize's: ridiculous movement... which led to a lot of control issues.

Mize's FB is the EXACT opposite: no movement, and Mize has always had excellent control over his FB. And other pitches.

But you're relying on FB speed to say they're the same?

Max has a splitter? And impeccable control?

I'm sorry, but...

I brought up Sherzer because he is more similar to him than Verlander, whom others were mentioning, among former Tiger pitchers.

I said they both have plus fastballs, for different reasons, but they are both are plus. A fastball grade is a combination of velocity, command and movement, basically. The reason i mentioned the movement on Sherzer's fastball was to differentiate it from Mize's.

And Sherzer has an elite secondary pitch, a change. Mize a splitter. Sherzer had control issues also. You could do worse for comps.

 

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there is hinch and fetter's first job: fix casey mize.

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23 minutes ago, Buddha said:

there is hinch and fetter's first job: fix casey mize.

Or leave him alone and let him pitch through his command issues. I'm not saying the coaching is a problem at all, but noting that at some point the pressure to 'fix the 1/1 pick' could conceivably lead to them not giving the him the time and innings (at the right level - as in not Detroit ) which might end up being all he needs to work it for himself.

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18 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Or leave him alone and let him pitch through his command issues. I'm not saying the coaching is a problem at all, but noting that at some point the pressure to 'fix the 1/1 pick' could conceivably lead to them not giving the him the time and innings (at the right level - as in not Detroit ) which might end up being all he needs to work it for himself.

Yup. I'm actually a little encouraged by his start yesterday. Aside from the 2 HR, I don't know how hard he was being hit. But the 1BB, 5K tells me his stuff was a lot better. Did they luck into a few of those hits? I haven't read anything on it. On the surface, I think it probably wasn't as bad as it seems, and a step in the right direction. 

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Aside from the two homers, he was fine...Are we talking about Boyd?  

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2 hours ago, Yoda said:

Yup. I'm actually a little encouraged by his start yesterday. Aside from the 2 HR, I don't know how hard he was being hit. But the 1BB, 5K tells me his stuff was a lot better. Did they luck into a few of those hits? I haven't read anything on it. On the surface, I think it probably wasn't as bad as it seems, and a step in the right direction. 

When he missed with his off speed some of the hitters hunted his high FB with success. I see his problem as being that his fastball is not hard enough to barrel up when he throws it in a predictable count. But that means he can't miss as much with his breaking stuff as he did. His strike % looked OK yesterday but I think that was because he was giving in when he was behind. They have him working on throwing more high FBs but he has to keep the high pitch on the corners otherwise it's pretty hittable. In a real game maybe he would have pitched up more sparingly. I thought it was notable that even when he was throwing the FB up, F/X was calling it a sinker instead of 4 seamer. That means one of two things, either of which are bad: either those high FB were actually meant to be sinkers and he was just missing up badly; or they were supposed to be 4 seamers thrown high and they had so little backspin that F/X saw them as sinkers anyway.

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What will the rotation be

 

Boyd, Turnbull, Skubal, Teheran, Urena ?     if there is a 6th person who is it - Tyler Alexander? Derek Holland?        I don't think Fulmer's coming north.   I don't think Fulmer will be on the 40-man come April 1st.   

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45 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

What will the rotation be

 

Boyd, Turnbull, Skubal, Teheran, Urena ?     if there is a 6th person who is it - Tyler Alexander? Derek Holland?        I don't think Fulmer's coming north.   I don't think Fulmer will be on the 40-man come April 1st.   

On the merits the 6th man should be Alexander ( or Manning to be completely honest). He's been pitching the best of the options. But I could see them bring Mize norht in the rotation just because if he is making some progress on his command the last thing they want to do is give him another month off.  There are pros and cons either way. As much as you may want to keep him pitching you don't want him to get beat up too much either. Certainly if this was team with a possibility of winning anything you can't bring him north as he is pretty likely to mostly lose games, but -- it's not.

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5 hours ago, tiger337 said:

Aside from the two homers, he was fine...Are we talking about Boyd?  

Mize. I was told he was broken so just trying to make sense of what's going on. 

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1 hour ago, Yoda said:

Mize. I was told he was broken so just trying to make sense of what's going on. 

I guess I would make a minor quibble with the semantics - to be broken you need to have at one time been fixed. Mize has yet to have any success in the Majors so I'm not sure what prior successful state you can say he is broken from. For all we know he could go back to AA as he is and be just as good as he was there before.

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3 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

What will the rotation be

 

Boyd, Turnbull, Skubal, Teheran, Urena ?     if there is a 6th person who is it - Tyler Alexander? Derek Holland?        I don't think Fulmer's coming north.   I don't think Fulmer will be on the 40-man come April 1st.   

If they opt for a six man rotation I’d go with Norris and keep Holland where he is. He’s been consistent in the pen, very good.

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I don't really care about Mize's performance in spring training as spring stats hardly matter at all.  I am concerned that micro thinks he is broken.  Micro can be wrong sometimes like anyone, but it'd never a good sign when someone with scouting skills is down on a top young player.        

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30 minutes ago, 1776 said:

If they opt for a six man rotation I’d go with Norris and keep Holland where he is. He’s been consistent in the pen, very good.

I would love Norris as a starter based on how good he can be, but his consistency still seems like a question mark --- he didn't help himself in that regard yesterday. But I could change my mind if he finishes with good appearances the rest of the way.

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3 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I would love Norris as a starter based on how good he can be, but his consistency still seems like a question mark --- he didn't help himself in that regard yesterday. But I could change my mind if he finishes with good appearances the rest of the way.

There's a glimmer for him as a starter due to his having two effective off-speed pitches.  I'd be happy with him being effective, period.  

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7 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

What will the rotation be

 

Boyd, Turnbull, Skubal, Teheran, Urena ?     if there is a 6th person who is it - Tyler Alexander? Derek Holland?        I don't think Fulmer's coming north.   I don't think Fulmer will be on the 40-man come April 1st.   

Holland has said he is a reliever from here on out. I guess they could tell him he would start, but sounds like that's how he understands his role going forward.

 

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1 hour ago, Warning Track Power said:

Holland has said he is a reliever from here on out. I guess they could tell him he would start, but sounds like that's how he understands his role going forward.

 

Yeah - Holland seems to be thriving. Just go with it.

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Skubal is also broken, but he's probably the best pitcher we have.

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I would prefer that the Tigers select either Leiter or Rocker at three this year. They need pitching.

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4 hours ago, cruzer1 said:

I would prefer that the Tigers select either Leiter or Rocker at three this year. They need pitching.

Does that mean you think higher of the position prospects than most or are more concerned about our pitching prospects than most ?

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6 hours ago, cruzer1 said:

Skubal is also broken, but he's probably the best pitcher we have.

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8 hours ago, socaltiger said:

Does that mean you think higher of the position prospects than most or are more concerned about our pitching prospects than most ?

I think higher of the two pitching prospects, and I think we need more pitching.

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