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No More National Anthem at Sporting Events?


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National anthem at sporting events  

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  1. 1. Does there need to be a national anthem before sporting events?

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10 minutes ago, Buddha said:

good point.  i suspect its come to light now that fans have been allowed back in.

why do you think cuban did it?  i think he did it for propaganda reasons, the same reason i think he does most things.  do you think he did it for a different reason?

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Buddha said:

exactly.

they play it in korea, japan, south africa, canada...all sorts of places that dont have donald trump staring them in the face.

its been a tradition for a while and sometimes traditions end.  so be it.  but there's nothing malicious about it and nothing unique to the united states about it.  just because half of western europe doesnt do it doesnt mean its somehow better.

It was a harmless tradition until Trump used it to deliberately create chaos and divide the country.  Now, it's fair to evaluate whether it's necessary to keep doing it.  

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32 minutes ago, Buddha said:

i doubt cuban sells any more tickets because of it.  he's just increasing his woke bona fides so he can get some more likes on twitter.  remember, this is texas.

cant wait until cuban signs colin kapernick!

heck, jerry jones will probably down and start playing the anthem after every quarter now!

He will though.  Simply from the additional exposure because of it.  Getting your product in front of the eyes of people is the goal of every business.  This will broaden the audience he would normally have received on this day and for however more future days this story stays on.  How many more tickets he will get depends on more factors that I have access to, but it will get him more tickets sold...someone, somewhere right now is buying a ticket for his team when they would not have before...not necessarily because of the message, but just because he thinks "yeah I have not been to an even in forever, I need to look at what tickets are going for today"...even if it is for a future event.  Trust me, he sold a "couple" more because of the story.

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17 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

It was a harmless tradition until Trump used it to deliberately create chaos and divide the country.  Now, it's fair to evaluate whether it's necessary to keep doing it.  

I have no idea about the specific events you are referring to, but I could guess it was in retaliation of those who were tearing down statues and defacing monuments of people they thought were bad guys back 100 years ago just this past year.  Was it divide or was it him doing something to counter what was being done?  Round and round the discussion goes.  The people tearing monuments down were doing it because of 'x', 'x' was done because of 'xx' etc etc.

Each "side" has to punch back.  It will never end.

NONE of that should change a harmless 2 minutes that is meant to honor the country unless those who want it gone do not think we should be honoring the country...or can point to something other than "well, maybe it could be used to pit everyone against each other" all crappy arguments IMO.

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1 hour ago, John_Brian_K said:

The answer I keep getting is because other countries don't do it or we do not do it for other events....so what?

Why do you keep asking everyone to explain themselves when you won't take the time to look up its history and make a reasonable defense of it? 

I see nothing wrong with the anthem, but I do think it's silly to play it before sporting events. It's annoying when I grab a beer or food before a game and can't go to my seat because everyone is pretending to be patriotic. I love the US but I don't feel the need to have to sing a song before a baseball game to show my enthusiasm. It's just silly. 

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52 minutes ago, Buddha said:

i doubt cuban sells any more tickets because of it.  he's just increasing his woke bona fides so he can get some more likes on twitter.  remember, this is texas.

cant wait until cuban signs colin kapernick!

heck, jerry jones will probably down and start playing the anthem after every quarter now!

Or maybe he's just tired of having to repeat a dumb tradition for no reason. Maybe their pregames are better because of it? I've always felt the anthem kills the flow of preparing for the game to start. EVERYONE STAND UP AND SHUT UP FOR 5 MINUTES AND DON'T YOU DARE WEAR A HAT! PUT YOUR HAND ON YOUR HART YOU UNGRATEFUL COMMUNIST! 

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33 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

It was a harmless tradition until Trump used it to deliberately create chaos and divide the country.  Now, it's fair to evaluate whether it's necessary to keep doing it.  

That's correct.

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26 minutes ago, apabruce said:

I don't care whether they play the anthem or not.  I fear that the people who wear flag themed underwear will view this as a test of patriotism.

Those folks you are thinking of probably don't wear underwear.

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42 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

I voted no as well, maybe a moment of silence? People don't get butt hurt for that do they? 

 

Side question, do kids still recite the pledge of allegiance at public schools? 

my kids go to chicago public schools, no pledge allowed.

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52 minutes ago, Yoda said:

Or maybe he's just tired of having to repeat a dumb tradition for no reason. Maybe their pregames are better because of it? I've always felt the anthem kills the flow of preparing for the game to start. EVERYONE STAND UP AND SHUT UP FOR 5 MINUTES AND DON'T YOU DARE WEAR A HAT! PUT YOUR HAND ON YOUR HART YOU UNGRATEFUL COMMUNIST! 

well, all traditions come to an end at some point, lol.

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1 hour ago, tiger337 said:

It was a harmless tradition until Trump used it to deliberately create chaos and divide the country.  Now, it's fair to evaluate whether it's necessary to keep doing it.  

or, you could say that playing the anthem gave a forum for players like kapernick to publicly protest and raise awareness of issues in a way that would not have been available without the anthem.

and i would argue with your point that it was a harmless tradition until "trump" decided to use it to cause division, i think trump was using kapernick's actions to paint liberals as democrats as anti-american.  kapernick started politicizing the anthem by kneeling during it.

im not criticizing kapernick, but if there was any politicizing, it started with him.  then EVERY REPUBLICAN, as well as many democrats, criticized him and made it an issue.

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1 hour ago, John_Brian_K said:

I have no idea about the specific events you are referring to, but I could guess it was in retaliation of those who were tearing down statues and defacing monuments of people they thought were bad guys back 100 years ago just this past year. 

 

It was long before that, but Trump needed to have a new controversy every day, so you probably forget.  

"Get those bastards out of the country right now"

"Fire those sons of bitches"

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9 minutes ago, Buddha said:

or, you could say that playing the anthem gave a forum for players like kapernick to publicly protest and raise awareness of issues in a way that would not have been available without the anthem.

and i would argue with your point that it was a harmless tradition until "trump" decided to use it to cause division, i think trump was using kapernick's actions to paint liberals as democrats as anti-american.  kapernick started politicizing the anthem by kneeling during it.

im not criticizing kapernick, but if there was any politicizing, it started with him.  then EVERY REPUBLICAN, as well as many democrats, criticized him and made it an issue.

What Trump said as the "president" was 100 times more influential and egregious than what one football player did.  Kapernick was not trying to create division.  He was using it to protest inequity.  There are better ways to do that, but he's just a "dumb jock".  A president is supposed to at least try to make things better not deliberately start ****.  

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5 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

What Trump said as the "president" was 100 times more influential and egregious than what one football player did.  Kapernick was not trying to create division.  He was using it to protest inequity.  There are better ways to do that, but he's just a "dumb jock".  A president is supposed to at least try to make things better not deliberately start ****.  

im not defending trump, but he didnt start using the anthem as some sort of cause of division, every republican said the same thing.  the issue was an issue before trump got involved.  trump did not create the issue.

and to take the anthem away because a former president "politicized" it is a grave overreaction, imo.  trump will pass.

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and if the controversy is "politicizing" the anthem, well, the anthem is naturally political in nature because it is a song built to honor the united states, which is a political creation.  

and its not the anthem that is politicized here but the actions of people during the anthem.  do people forget the 1960s?  wither tommy smith and john carlos?  jose feliciano?  or even mahmoud abdul raouf in the nba?

this has happened plenty of times before and will happen again.  you dont ban the anthem because of one bad actor (trump).

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I guess I'm having a hard time finding a connection between this and Trump.  I'm not sure Trump even exacerbated any question of the national anthem.

But now I wonder something.  Did his merry band of idiots sign it before storming the capital?

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28 minutes ago, Buddha said:

im not defending trump, but he didnt start using the anthem as some sort of cause of division, every republican said the same thing.  the issue was an issue before trump got involved.  trump did not create the issue.

and to take the anthem away because a former president "politicized" it is a grave overreaction, imo.  trump will pass.

He didn't create the issue (or any other issue), but he definitely used it to create division.  He loves to start **** like that so he can bring attention to himself.  

I don't want them to take away the national anthem.  I don't care whether they have it or not.  My suggestion is to play it occasionally on special days rather than have it as a meaningless daily tradition.  It might have more of a positive effect on people if they did that.  

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